Joe B. dresses funny but he can play. Great band too, Reece Wynans keys, Anton Fig drums. Some dislike his heavy promotion and merch, gear heads jealous of his insane gear collection
First group I ever heard described as "blue-eyed soul" was the Young Rascals. I mean, people everywhere just want to be free.
Soul is when you can feel the artist's soul through their music.
Janis and Jerry and Brent. and Louis Armstrong. Get it?
Warren too. Led Zeppelin. Allison Moorer(listening to her right now). DNB (especially Mookie). Willie Nelson. A great church choir. (and I am diehard atheist)
Maybe the younger generations don't/can't feel it? (In response to thread title) That would be sad.
Otis Redding, to me, is the all time exemplar of soul. It's a feel. Some artists have it and some don't. I can recognize soul but not necessarily be into the music.
For newer artists, I think Pink and Miley Cyrus both have soul, as does Chris Stapleton. Anderson Paak has it. Mayer has fleeting flashes of it. When his coincide with Bobby's moments, DeadCo have soul.
Slacker, you know very well all current music is commercial crap and with few exceptions doesn't hold a candle to "boomer music," that's why you are on this website.
You got to have suffered and be real to have soul and these new guys got it too damn easy and everything is fake. Fake news, fake body, fake talent.
In all seriousness now, it's a difficult term to define linguistically, but you can find soul in all types of music...even bluegrass. For instance, Billy Strings can be very soulful.
IMO, if one were to define "soul" in a musician it comes down to whether the player can perform with more than just a technical proficiency or even mastery, a player who can play with a certain amount of feel for the music, not just the notes.
And by that definition every musician named in this thread has "soul", because if they didn't no one would have ever heard of them.
No musician makes it to the big league stages, or even the higher minor league/club stages if all they can do is manipulate an instrument and play notes. If all a player can be is a technician of an instrument, they will never get to the level where average people hear their recordings or see them on a stage.
Players who are more improvisational & less technical are easier to consider more "soulful", but does Yo Yo Ma have soul? He, like all classical/symphonic musicians play the music directly off the page as written, but he, like all professional symphonic musicians like him are able to take the sound beyond the page, as all pros can & must.
There are definitely musicians who are more proficient or more focused on tapping into the feel of the music than others, but while professional players like Joe Bonamassa, Al Di Meola, Keith Emerson, Neil Peart, etc. are/were more technically forward players, they're all far MORE than just that.
If anything, it's the listener who lacks "soul" if they can't hear the musical qualities in a Joe Bonamassa or a John Mayer.
Always remember, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not good.
People took me as some kind of Sam Cooke retro prodigy, and that wasn’t what it was about. I wanted to tell my story through that sound,” says the singer, who, despite having a soft-spoken, crooning voice, says he was consistently compared to more emotive soul-shouting contemporaries like Sharon Jones and Paul Janeway. “As much as I love those guys, it was annoying when people would try to say I wasn’t living up to that kind of music. I associate myself more with Willie Nelson or Townes Van Zandt than with Otis Redding.”
I think Slacker's question is answered in a general way in the paragraph before the quote he posted, and this sentence in particular: "As soon as he became recognised, [Bridges] was inundated with reductive categorisations of his music, skepticism surrounding his influences and criticism regarding the racial makeup of both his band and audience."
So, who are the people responsible for these things? Tastemakers and critics, industry executives and marketing people, for sure, and others, not doubt, but are these people all boomers necessarily, and if they are, why might that be significant?
As for what "soul" is, I think it's one of those ideas that resists reductive categorization, but we know it when we experience it. Like Lance said above, it's not just the notes, but what the musician puts into the notes--it's like they infuse a bit of their own spirit into the music--and when that energy is received, it connects to the spirit of the listener.
During the recording of their new album, Franklin found herself trying to avoid those very signifiers. “The band was playing a riff, they were trying to make it funky sounding, and it was irritating the fuck out of me and I couldn’t figure out why,” she says. “Eventually I look at my band and was like: ‘I love you all, but this sounds like when a white person listens to a soul record for the first time.’”
The Suffers continued to work on the song, You Only Call, eventually coming up with something that the entire band agreed was a definite improvement. All it took, she says, was using a slightly different guitar tone.
Little bitty boy, with a heart of steel
You can't boogie now but your sister sure will
Feel good music, I've been told
Good for your body and it's good for your soul
Gonna do it now
Lie back grooving, riding in your car
Makes no difference where you are
Feel good music in your soul
Makes your body do a slow boogie roll
Let me hear you say
Lie back grooving, riding in your car
Makes no difference where you are
Feel good music, I've been told
Good for your body and it's good for your soul
Gonna get it now
Was that from his performance at Monterey Pop, LLTD? His was the standout performance of the weekend for me. Loved a lot of others, but it was Otis Redding...
I was down at the New Amsterdam
Staring at this yellow-haired girl
Mr. Jones strikes up a conversation
With a black-haired flamenco dancer
You know she dances while his father plays guitar
She's suddenly beautiful
And we all want something beautiful
Man, I wish I was beautiful
So come dance the silence down through the morning
Sha-la-la-la-la-la-la, yeah
Uh huh, yeah
Cut up, Maria
Show me some of them Spanish dances
Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones
Believe in me
Help me believe in anything
'Cause I wanna be someone who believes
Yeah
Mr. Jones and me
Tell each other fairy tales
And we stare at the beautiful women
She's looking at you
Ah, no, no, she's looking at me
Smilin' in the bright lights
Coming through in stereo
When everybody loves…
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Is this a thread about ageism
Is this a thread about ageism, or racism? Or both?
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It's an honest question for
It's an honest question for those who determine whether a person or artist is soulful.
Why is Bonamassa soulless while Haynes is soulful?
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And does gen x do this more
And does gen x do this more than boomers?
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Does Sammy Hagar have soul?
Does Sammy Hagar have soul?
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can phil collins swing?
can phil collins swing?
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He loves soul music.
He loves soul music.
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Does Steve Winwood have blue
Does Steve Winwood have blue eyes?
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I don't know what he looks
I don't know what he looks like.
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If I asked the question,
If I asked the question, "Does John Mayer have soul?", I bet that Millennials, Gen X and Boomers would all weigh in.
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I would ask what the
I would ask what the definition is. I can't ever seem to get an answer.
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Joe B. dresses funny but he
Joe B. dresses funny but he can play. Great band too, Reece Wynans keys, Anton Fig drums. Some dislike his heavy promotion and merch, gear heads jealous of his insane gear collection
First group I ever heard described as "blue-eyed soul" was the Young Rascals. I mean, people everywhere just want to be free.
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I don't have blue eyes :-(
I don't have blue eyes :-(
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I got tix to see Hall and
I got tix to see Hall and Oates in October. I think they qualify.
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Why is Bonamassa soulless
Why is Bonamassa soulless while Haynes is soulful?
Hmm. I don't really care why.
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Soul music is cool.
>>>>>Does anyone rate soul more than boomers?
Soul music is cool.
Shrooms are cool.
Listening to soul music on shrooms is usually very cool.
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What are you defining as soul
What are you defining as soul music?
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Nolan Porter
Nolan Porter
northern soul?
or "just" R&B?
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II much soul...
II much soul...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6CMR5CoNHs
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Soul is when you can feel the
Soul is when you can feel the artist's soul through their music.
Janis and Jerry and Brent. and Louis Armstrong. Get it?
Warren too. Led Zeppelin. Allison Moorer(listening to her right now). DNB (especially Mookie). Willie Nelson. A great church choir. (and I am diehard atheist)
Maybe the younger generations don't/can't feel it? (In response to thread title) That would be sad.
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You just asked if all people
You just asked if all people younger than you can relate to your specific taste.
Have you heard anything soulful from younger generations? Family Band?
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Otis Redding, to me, is the
Otis Redding, to me, is the all time exemplar of soul. It's a feel. Some artists have it and some don't. I can recognize soul but not necessarily be into the music.
For newer artists, I think Pink and Miley Cyrus both have soul, as does Chris Stapleton. Anderson Paak has it. Mayer has fleeting flashes of it. When his coincide with Bobby's moments, DeadCo have soul.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnLh_zdT70
What Is Soul?
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I looking for the reasons why
I looking for the reasons why an artist doesn't have it.
What trait causes you to say someone isn't sincere?
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Although all soul is sincere,
Although all soul is sincere, I don't think that sincerity alone equals soul.
I agree that Warren is pretty soulful. I don't find Mule to be a soulful band. Figure that one out.
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" Even Richard Nixon has got
" Even Richard Nixon has got soul"
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Reggae got soul
Reggae got soul
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRHrzP-Y9c
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Does music made after 1990
Does music made after 1990 have soul?
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Slacker, you know very well
Slacker, you know very well all current music is commercial crap and with few exceptions doesn't hold a candle to "boomer music," that's why you are on this website.
You got to have suffered and be real to have soul and these new guys got it too damn easy and everything is fake. Fake news, fake body, fake talent.
In all seriousness now, it's a difficult term to define linguistically, but you can find soul in all types of music...even bluegrass. For instance, Billy Strings can be very soulful.
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^ except Icelandic music ---
^ except Icelandic music --- trust me, no soul
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>>>>>You got to have suffered
>>>>>You got to have suffered and be real to have soul
Does becoming wealthy change anything?
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hmmm..... give me a lot of
hmmm..... give me a lot of money and I'll let you know
what's considered wealthy nowadays?
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Suffering vs not suffering
Suffering vs not suffering
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I'm sure there are people
I'm sure there are people that would tell you money causes suffering
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Amy Winehouse had soul.
Amy Winehouse had soul.
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Steve Vai
Steve Vai ?
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Is Phil Collins a prog
Is Phil Collins a prog musician? Do they have soul?
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Very few people named Phillip
Very few people named Phillip have soul... except for jazz guys... they can pull it off
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and if you are a wealthy non
and if you are a wealthy, non-suffering, white boomer named Phil, it helps to be forlorn and carry a trumpet -- that can pass for soul
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^ See?
^ Soul? or no Soul?
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Phil's original drummer....
Phil's original drummer.... he had soul
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The concept of soul in this
The concept of soul in this context is false.
IMO, if one were to define "soul" in a musician it comes down to whether the player can perform with more than just a technical proficiency or even mastery, a player who can play with a certain amount of feel for the music, not just the notes.
And by that definition every musician named in this thread has "soul", because if they didn't no one would have ever heard of them.
No musician makes it to the big league stages, or even the higher minor league/club stages if all they can do is manipulate an instrument and play notes. If all a player can be is a technician of an instrument, they will never get to the level where average people hear their recordings or see them on a stage.
Players who are more improvisational & less technical are easier to consider more "soulful", but does Yo Yo Ma have soul? He, like all classical/symphonic musicians play the music directly off the page as written, but he, like all professional symphonic musicians like him are able to take the sound beyond the page, as all pros can & must.
There are definitely musicians who are more proficient or more focused on tapping into the feel of the music than others, but while professional players like Joe Bonamassa, Al Di Meola, Keith Emerson, Neil Peart, etc. are/were more technically forward players, they're all far MORE than just that.
If anything, it's the listener who lacks "soul" if they can't hear the musical qualities in a Joe Bonamassa or a John Mayer.
Always remember, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not good.
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https://www.theguardian.com
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/13/soul-music-racial-tensions...
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I don't understand the
I don't understand the subject of the thread. Is it saying that people rate soul? And especially people who are older than Knotesau? I don't get it.
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Troll thread.
Troll thread.
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I think Slacker's question is
I think Slacker's question is answered in a general way in the paragraph before the quote he posted, and this sentence in particular: "As soon as he became recognised, [Bridges] was inundated with reductive categorisations of his music, skepticism surrounding his influences and criticism regarding the racial makeup of both his band and audience."
So, who are the people responsible for these things? Tastemakers and critics, industry executives and marketing people, for sure, and others, not doubt, but are these people all boomers necessarily, and if they are, why might that be significant?
As for what "soul" is, I think it's one of those ideas that resists reductive categorization, but we know it when we experience it. Like Lance said above, it's not just the notes, but what the musician puts into the notes--it's like they infuse a bit of their own spirit into the music--and when that energy is received, it connects to the spirit of the listener.
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Soul Rebel
Soul Rebel
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During the recording of their
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What about Hootie?
What about Hootie?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtXT9w9AYU
Little bitty boy, with a heart of steel
You can't boogie now but your sister sure will
Feel good music, I've been told
Good for your body and it's good for your soul
Gonna do it now
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Lie back grooving, riding in your car
Makes no difference where you are
Feel good music in your soul
Makes your body do a slow boogie roll
Let me hear you say
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Big chief
Spy boy
Uptown ruler
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Huh
Big chief
Keep on grooving
Keep on getting
Lie back grooving, riding in your car
Makes no difference where you are
Feel good music, I've been told
Good for your body and it's good for your soul
Gonna get it now
Hey, hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, pocky a-way
Uptown ruler
Bayou on the bayou
Everybody sing
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, pocky a-way
Hey, pocky a-way
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Why would anyone think Hootie
Why would anyone think Hootie or Sammy Hagar don't have soul?
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Otis Redding has soul
Otis Redding has soul
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And possibly altered the
And possibly altered the trajectory directory of my life
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Was that from his performance
Was that from his performance at Monterey Pop, LLTD? His was the standout performance of the weekend for me. Loved a lot of others, but it was Otis Redding...
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Sha-la-la-la-la-la-la
Sha-la-la-la-la-la-la
Mmm
Uh huh
I was down at the New Amsterdam
Staring at this yellow-haired girl
Mr. Jones strikes up a conversation
With a black-haired flamenco dancer
You know she dances while his father plays guitar
She's suddenly beautiful
And we all want something beautiful
Man, I wish I was beautiful
So come dance the silence down through the morning
Sha-la-la-la-la-la-la, yeah
Uh huh, yeah
Cut up, Maria
Show me some of them Spanish dances
Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones
Believe in me
Help me believe in anything
'Cause I wanna be someone who believes
Yeah
Mr. Jones and me
Tell each other fairy tales
And we stare at the beautiful women
She's looking at you
Ah, no, no, she's looking at me
Smilin' in the bright lights
Coming through in stereo
When everybody loves…
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pigpen had contrived soul.
does eric clapton?
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It's all a contrivance once
It's all a contrivance when you get down to it. The best ones manage to mask it though.
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i edited: Pigpen has
i edited: Pigpen has contrived soul.
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Pigpen's dead, man. There's
Pigpen's dead, man. There's nothing left but his soul.
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Who has more soul? Marcus lil
Who has more soul? Marcus lil' warren haynes King or Billy motherfuckin' Strings?
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You might as well ask who do
You might as well ask who do you like best? I'll go with Warren.
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>>> Who has more soul? Marcus
>>> Who has more soul? Marcus lil' warren haynes King or Billy motherfuckin' Strings?
it's a southern thing
you wouldn't understand
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King plays soul music and is
King plays soul music and is from South Carolina.
Strings plays bluegrass and is from Michigan like Jack White and Kid Rock.
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bay area mashup
bay area mashup
book that shit
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It just occurred to me that
It just occurred to me that this is a soul searching thread.
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Jake Wade was searching for
Jake Wade was searching for soul
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGbZLj5T6rY
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Nice. I'm going to say Wade
Nice. I'm going to say Wade found himself some.
I wonder if Zero ever covered that one, Bss. It sounds like it'd be a natural for them.
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>>Does anyone rate soul more
>>Does anyone rate soul more than boomers?
No. No one rates soul more than boomers.
Also - no one rates boomers more than Gen X.
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Timpani rates boomers. Do you
Timpani rates boomers. Do you think he is 33?
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Slacker is upset because He
Slacker is upset because He thinks Tampax saw Jerry.
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Do you know Tim pani? Have
Do you know Tim pani? Have you had slices with him and Disco Stu?
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<Jake Wade was searching for
<Jake Wade was searching for soul
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGbZLj5T6rY>
Thanks.... loved it.... it was very Zero-ey, but never heard them do it
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>>lso - no one rates boomers
>>lso - no one rates boomers more than Gen X.
Nuh uh - Gen X is apathetic. It's the Millennials that do the rating.
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Margie T. Greene, Lauren
Margie T. Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Matty Gaetz.
46, 34, 38, respectively.
Oh, I have a rating.
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I'm going to say that those
I'm going to say that those are their respective IQs.
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Playing for Change, and quite
Playing for Change, and quite possibly Bunny Wailers final performance..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-dRks5QVQo