Interesting interview with DH's from Albany Summer Tour 92
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Some cool people are interviewed. I like the guy at the 9 minute mark. He makes a lot of sense.
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Some cool people are interviewed. I like the guy at the 9 minute mark. He makes a lot of sense.
Conversations With The Deadheads - YouTube
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
Don't know why it won't post
Don't know why it won't post the link?
https://youtu.be/i7ax0rWDQCo
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Scott Schaffer
great stuff- although the
great stuff- although the interviewer seems a bit condescending, especially towards the girl on the bus at the end. but maybe its me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
"We provide advanced first
"We provide advanced first aid and medical care"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb)
I thought the east coast
I thought the east coast scene started to take a marked turn fo the worse around this period. It had been fermenting for a while but seemed to pick up steam.
I attended these shows but can't recall anything about them musically, paling in comparison to the previous two Knick runs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mr. Sunshine State
Sorry- couldn't get past the
Sorry- couldn't get past the two NH chicks...
The East Coast GD scene had lost it's charm long before '92 for me. SPAC '88 firmly convinced me a shit-show had already been born.
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Yeah me too Earl. I only went
Yeah me too Earl. I only went to the 88 Meadowlands shows to score shrooms. And I lived less than an hour away. I guess I should have stayed as they were good shows but the huge influx turned me off. I did see 3 MSG shows in the fall of 88. And 6 shows in 90. But that was because of Europe and I did see that Branford show at Nassau in 90. My only US show in 90. From 89 on, I preferred to spend my money and time on traveling and seeing the world..
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> I only went to the 88
> I only went to the 88 Meadowlands shows to score shrooms.
> the huge influx turned me off.
lol
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Why is that lol Mikey!?
Why is that lol Mikey!?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline
Part of the problem...
Part of the problem...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: krab
Also saw the change Summer
Also saw the change Summer '88, at the first Buckeye Lake show, a sea of people in the middle of nowhere.
Bailed on Spac after the '85 show, ridiculously oversold to the point that the ticket takers walked away, still have my whole ticket.
From the Times Union "20 Facts About Spac" ....
The biggest attendance for a single show at SPAC was Grateful Dead, 40,231 in 1985.
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doolittle, it's just like
doolittle, it's precisely what localcountyline said. The huge influx was primarily due to folks who only went to shows to sell or score dope, or to party. A little self-awareness goes a long way. You should try some sometime.
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would love to see a "where
would love to see a "where are they now" follow-up.
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@Mike
@Mike
I was a DH since 80. Never went to a show just to score. Was there for the music. At the 88 Meadowlands show I went and scored and left. Probably spent a half hour in the lot. I didn't hang around and party. I would have seen the show if I did.
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"Never went to a show just to
"Never went to a show just to score. Was there for the music."
FALSE....you just admitted that you were not there for the music and stated that you did, in fact, go to the lot in order to score and then left.
Are we missing something that you did not state?
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I gotta admit, you just outed
I gotta admit, you just outed yourself Dr
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NO FALSE! READ IT AGAIN!
NO FALSE! READ IT AGAIN! CORRECT;LY THIS TIME!
Yes I went to the 88 NJ show just to score. I thought I made that clear. I also went to a 91 show in Md. just to score as I was leaving on a faraway trip in a few days. RU people telling me you never scored at a show?
Read my 11:38 post to clear that up!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Splintered custie
"Never went to show just to
"Never went to show just to score." Just that one time. Oh wait, twice. 91 in Md too.
But I never went to a show just to score.
Funny stuff right there
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>>RU people telling me you
>>RU people telling me you never scored at a show?
Correct. I never went to a show with the sole purpose of scoring, with no intention of seeing the show.
Shakedown used to empty out at show time, and all the vendors closed shop. By '92 it stayed just as active during the show as before and after. Thousands showed up just for the party. Vendors toured with the sole purpose of making money, and stopped caring about the music.
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Interesting OP, Sumatra.
Interesting OP, Sumatra. Thanks for the link.
Sorry these posturing squares are all trying to have a public freakout lol. These guys are stuck in perma lame. Low T, I think.
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>>> READ IT AGAIN! CORRECT;LY
>>> READ IT AGAIN! CORRECT;LY THIS TIME!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
Prior to that 88 show dimwits
Prior to that 88 show dimwits When rhe scene was getting out of hand and fake and plastic IMO. and no more fun FOR ME!
But whatever!
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its easy to blame touch heads
its easy to blame touch heads....
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It's easy to slip.
It's easy to slip.
You could cross-post this in the "ethos" thread, too, probably.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb)
its easy to blame touch heads
its easy to blame touch heads....<<<<
The touch-head-wave brought the massive audience but other than size, there was still an overarching level of decency. '91 to '92 forward seemed to have a darker, more criminal edge. Dunno, maybe just my personal experience.
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"Heads," Touch or otherwise,
"Heads," Touch or otherwise, were never the problem. Nor were the locals who came to see the music and have a good time. It was the folks who showed up in throngs for the party, and the party only.
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The first time I noticed that
The first time I noticed that things were much more fucked up than usual was Albany shows '91. There was a completely different vibe happening. There were plenty that jumped on the bus head first, never left their hometown but were now the unwashed tour heads...... Shit drugs weren't hidden anymore... Sporatic until I jumped off after Boston shows in '93 --- the music and the scene was nothing short of pathetic.
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Most touch heads were
Most touch heads were probably cool. It wasn't necessarily them as it was also the band too. They started staying in 5* hotels like the Four Seasons while their audience was selling $1 burritos to get a ticket or looking for a miracle. When did the miracle thing start btw? People expecting a freebie. I know people that left in 87, People that left after Brent died. I knew someone who thought the GD should have retired in 1980. I just moved on and traveled a lot around the world with that money the GD would have gotten instead. I think I made a great decision and had more fun seeing the world than I ever did at a show. Learning about different cultures and making friends all over the world. And cheaper than touring with the Dead except for the plane ticket but my sister worked for United so got passes every year.
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> '91 to '92 forward seemed to have a darker, more criminal<
My buddy had the contents of his his stolen at RFK in 89. His tent was stolen a couple weeks later in Alpine.
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"Heads," Touch or otherwise,
"Heads," Touch or otherwise, were never the problem. Nor were the locals who came to see the music and have a good time. It was the folks who showed up in throngs for the party, and the party only.
Not exactly true. Fans traveled with the band or came to individual shows without tickets that was a problem too. If they didn't get in they knew there was a good party outside anyway's and partook of it. .
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Yeah, but at least they gave
Yeah, but at least they gave a shit about the music and wanted to go in to the show.
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I think everyone outside
I think everyone outside wanted to go into the show and were mostly fans. A lot didn't want to pay though. They wanted a hard working person to give them a Miracle. FUCK THAT. Get a job. I worked for my ticket. Never asked for a handout! Ask Bobby for a freebie. He's rich.
No money-No ticket=No show-Don't go
I met some people on the Europe 90 tour who we drove from Essen to Berlin in our free rental and slept in our car a few nights. The lived in NoCal and got into every show in the States and Europe free somehow. Had a system. They somehow even scammed free Eurorail passes. Wouldn't divulge how. Said someone who worked for the GD were onto them. He laughed about it.
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I started in 79 and did most
I started in 79 and did most of my shows on that northeast corridor. In 91 I moved to SF and did the rest of my shows in the Bay Area. It was much darker on the East Coast.
I don't think you can blame any one thing. It just didn't scale well. All the sketch and darkness was there in the early 80's it was just easily avoided. An all cash traveling circus isn't going to attract much attention when it is just a few thousand people but when it turned to 10,000 people and it happened on a predictable schedule it brought all the problems with it. There were always people stealing now they just had a lot more to steal, and the people they were stealing from had a lot more to lose. Once that dynamic took over all the tension went up. Then add in the touring DEA busting people for 20 year sentences and we were definitely no longer flying under the radar.
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So it's decided? doolittle is
So it's decided? doolittle is responsible for the downfall of our beloved lot scene?
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Yes Mikey and sorry peeps.
Yes Mikey and sorry peeps. You just should have let me go in peace and not gone crazy over my departure from the scene. Maybe things wouldn't have gotten so out of hand!
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Downfall? It only got better
Downfall? It only got better from there!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mr. Sunshine State
For curiosity's sake, I sure
For curiosity's sake, it would be interesting to know those people's "system", doolittle, although they sound a bit like dirtbag's sleeping in somebody else's rental car. I paid face for every friggin' show from '73 to The Wolf Brother's last year.
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Earl, they were a freaky
Earl, they were a freaky group from California who lived together on land because one of them inherited money or land there if I remember right??. . We were also sleeping in the car too just to make it clear. Couldn't afford an expensive hotel in Europe every night. But they were definitely not traditional people.. I ran into them again and they had a baby that looked like a Buddha baby but nobody knew who the father was because they all fucked the mother. and didn't care because THEY WERE FAMILY. (cringing) and everybody was the daddy. I imagined they were offspring of Manson!
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Downfall? It only got better
Downfall? It only got better from there!
Yeah you became a junkie and life was blissful! LOL
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Dew baby sighting in 88
Dew baby sighting in 88
was he ever here at all
or has he always been
stagnated in time
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: DaBreeze
I remember at Long Beach in
I remember at Long Beach in Dec.'88 there was a bus of tweakers nearby who provided hours of 'entertainment' for us. After the show, this crazy satanic guy from the bus made a sizeable fire but then started swinging around burning 2x4's because he didn't want drums at his fire. Mayhem ensued.
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^ present
^ present
we woke up to the dudes putting up the fence around us
took that tram thing
went to a mission
came back
got hooked up
work'd