BREAKING NEWS: Word on the street is Biden requested a break every 30 minutes and the Trump camp refused...also, the Biden team had previously agreed to a "3rd party" earpiece inspection and as of this morning have rescinded that commitment.
Note:
malapropism
[ mal-uh-prop-iz-uhm ]
noun
an act or habit of misusing words ridiculously, especially by the confusion of words that are similar in sound.
That’s not “the word on the street” as if it’s some secret known only to the select few. I see bry has got the fox talking points down for the eve. Been doing your Hannitywork I see
Nancy...I appreciate the discussion, could you please extrapolate on your defense of Hunter's Ukraine/Russia/China scenario and how it doesn't connect with the January 5th, 2017 Oval Office meeting? Thanks...I appreciate the intelligent discussion on the matter, love & respect!
Republicans have accused Joe Biden's son of taking payments from the late mayor's billionaire widow, which he denies.
By NATASHA BERTRAND
09/28/2020 03:25 PM EDT
In a meandering press conference on Sunday, President Donald Trump repeatedly accused his Democratic opponent’s son, Hunter Biden, of receiving millions of dollars from the wife of Moscow’s late mayor Yury Luzhkov, asking why “nobody even has any question about it.”
But Trump himself sought to do business with Luzhkov’s government in the late 1990s, according to press reports from the time, SEC filings and comments made by Luzhkov last year. His attempts to build an underground mall in Moscow and renovate two major hotels there were part of a broader push to secure high-profile real-estate deals in Russia, which Trump was still pursuing as recently as 2016 with a proposal for a Trump Tower Moscow
President Trump has not once denied in four years that he is in telepathic communication with an alien lizard power. The next logical step is that the alien lizards conspire to make the stock market go down slightly.
My favorite from four years ago was Trump's brilliant No puppet, no puppet; you're the puppet rejoinder. I really hope Biden can trigger something like that tonight.
Allow me to say this...anyone who has paid a modicum of attention would acknowledge in a moment of candor this entire process may well be over this evening.
^ I'm actually glad you brought that up...I actually apologized for taking too much pleasure and satisfaction from being correct over & over, time & again.
Your mischaracterization of that post is a classic example of "fake news"...which may be a direct result of Rachael Maddow turning your brain to mush.
The shit show of all shit shows. What a fucking disgrace. What an embarrassment to be an American right now that this is the best we have to offer the country and the world in the form of leadership. How the fuck did we as a country get here. Simply sad and depressing on top of all the other problems this world is facing.
While on the subject of apologies, I apologize to Alan for my remarks.
Mixed thoughts on the debate...kind of a sleepy debate, like the first round of a boxing match, Biden will probably figure out a way for that to be the last of it.
are you a proud, boy or a proudboy Be honest please
will you intimidate voters or support refusing to leave office after being defeated No you don't have to admit how passionately wrong you have been after fear furher loses
2020 ELECTION
“Unhinged”: There’s No Going Back From the Trump–Biden Debate Train Wreck
From Donald Trump’s refusal to condemn white supremacists to Chris Wallace’s feeble interjections to Joe Biden’s clear exasperation (“Will you shut up, man?”), the Hive cringed its way through an excruciating 90 minutes.
“It’s been an interesting hour and a half,” moderator Chris Wallace remarked at the conclusion of Tuesday night’s debate. Interesting is one way to put it. Disastrous is a better description for what transpired onstage. Donald Trump kept up a constant stream of interruptions. He disregarded the agreed-upon rules, just as he’s barreled through any norms or traditions he simply doesn’t like these past four years. He ignored the moderator’s pleas, just as he’s dismissed any viewpoint that he can’t bear to hear. He couldn’t even pause the onslaught as Joe Biden mentioned his late son, Beau. Here’s what the Hive team took away from the spectacle.
Emily Jane Fox: Ohio has a rule that, indoors, people must wear masks. That’s a good thing, despite what our president says. In the hall for Tuesday’s debate in Cleveland, however, once Trump’s family members all took their distanced seats, they slipped their masks off their faces and into their laps. They’d all had COVID tests and their makeup professionally done, of course, and it’s a shame to let a thing like that go to waste, so I get it. But Dr. Jill Biden kept her mask on. She knows the rules. She knows the weight of the image she projects. They all do. What the contrast shows is that the Trumps believe they are above the law, that the rules don’t apply to them. In case that wasn’t already clear.
Joe Pompeo: Trump’s pathological obsession with the media and how it covers him was on display right out of the gate. Wallace was trying to get in a fair and sober question about how the president hasn’t unveiled a comprehensive health care plan. Trump immediately laid into him like the masterful steamroller he is. Wallace wrestled back control of the moment. Trump still wasn’t having it. “I guess I’m debating you, not him,” he snarled, “but that’s okay. I’m not surprised.” On paper it might seem like a gift to Trump that someone from Fox News was chosen to moderate the first debate. But Wallace is a real newsman, not a Sean Hannity or a Laura Ingraham or a face on Fox & Friends. Those are Trump’s safe spaces, his warm baths. As for the rest of the establishment media—including the people at Fox who don’t blow him wet kisses—Trump can’t seem to get over the reality that it isn’t their job to write nice things about him. “They give you good press, they give me bad press,” Trump said to Biden a few minutes later. Then came the requisite whopper. “I don’t care. I’ve gotten used to it.”
Gabriel Sherman: A wounded animal is the most dangerous kind. I kept thinking about that truism as Trump—trailing in virtually every respected poll—brayed and bullied his way through the first debate, which at moments seemed more like a contest between him and Wallace. “Unhinged. Trump isn’t winning over any voters. Just playing to his base,” a prominent Republican texted me halfway through. But Trump’s performance was also chilling, even by Trump standards, from his refusal to condemn white supremacists (“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!”) to his refusal to direct his supporters to avoid violence while votes are counted (“I can’t go along with that”). Near the end of the debate, Trump offered a prediction that underscored how we’re on the cusp of a national nightmare: “This is not going to end well,” he vowed.
Chris Smith: It was one moment, but divided into five parts. Again and again Biden turned and looked directly into the camera, trying to connect with the viewers and voters at home, trying to send the message that he cares about Americans while Trump cares only about himself. The first attempt came nine minutes into the debate, when the subject was the coronavirus pandemic and the prospects for a vaccine. “This is the same man who told you by Easter this would be gone away,” Biden said. “And by the way, maybe you can inject some bleach in your arm, and that would take care of it.… Do you believe for a moment what he’s telling you, in light of all the lies he’s told you?” Trump, desperate to drown out Biden, kept interrupting and insulting. The second time Biden locked onto the camera was when the questioning turned to masks as virus protection; he described Trump shielding himself while shrugging off the risk to his rallygoers. “He’s not worried about you,” Biden said. “He’s a fool on this.” Then a third time, after Trump repeated his boasts about creating the best economy ever. Biden mentioned that the rich have gotten richer even during this disaster, before lowering his voice: “You folks at home, you folks living in…working-class towns in America—how well are you doing?”
The contrast was stark because Trump, for all his practice as a TV performer, rarely addressed the camera, instead glaring at the hapless Wallace as he shouted him down, or turning his eyes to stare daggers at Biden. The Democrat’s dogged strategy led to some missed opportunities: Biden, instead of pressing the point, let Trump off the hook when the president refused to condemn white supremacists. But Trump’s bullying didn’t shake Biden from his plan to demonstrate empathy instead of ego. He turned to the lens a fourth time after the president shamelessly, disgustingly ignored the military service of Beau Biden to resume his attacks on Hunter Biden: “My son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people we know at home, had a drug problem,” Biden said, somehow hanging on to his dignity. “He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it.” It was honest and identifiable and vulnerable and decent—or, more succinctly, the very opposite of Trump—and it was Biden’s best emotional touch of the night. But he wasn’t done. “Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome,” Biden said when asked if he was concerned about election security. “He cannot stop you…You have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. Is it going to change, or are you going to get four more years of these lies?” The words hung in the air for a second as Biden’s blue eyes stayed steady, looking into millions of living rooms. Then the air horn that is Donald Trump started blaring again.
Joe Hagan: A disgraceful “shitshow” (to quote Dana Bash on CNN). True, but it’s also true that the debate provided two clear pieces of information that voters need to understand their choice in November. Given the chance to denounce white supremacists, the president of the United States gave comfort to far-right racist group the Proud Boys (“Stand down and stand by”); while refusing to denounce violence while votes are counted in November, he advised his supporters to show up at polling stations to menace voters on the false assumption that fraud would be rampant. This is a fascist, plain and simple. You want a fascist? Trump’s your guy.
Trump looked like a raging narcissist who had no idea how to handle a world outside his own fawning sycophants. He instinctively knows he can’t win in a fair vote, and his chaotic rage—sputtering and harrumphing like a second-rate Mussolini—telegraphed contempt for the very idea of a debate. A narcissist can’t abide rejection and therefore must attack everything and everybody that challenges his fragile ego, including democracy. He was a monster for all to see. Conversely, Biden’s performance was uneven, halting, frustrating, occasionally inspired, but nobody could argue that he wasn’t calm and presidential; Trump turned Biden into a stand-in for the audience, who yearned for Trump to shut up and for Wallace to take control of the shitshow. And that, in a nutshell, is what Biden’s message is: that he’s on the side of the voters/viewers.
Bess Levin: While we haven’t reviewed the transcripts of the presidential debates between Lincoln and Douglas, it seems likely that Tuesday night marked the first time a candidate for president told his opponent, “Will you shut up, man?” and said, speaking to the moderator, “It’s hard to get any word in with this clown.” All of which was entirely justified! Donald Trump spent the evening interrupting, taunting, and bullying Biden like an abusive spouse, spewing his usual cornucopia of lies and making insane statements like that he had Biden “on tape” planning a coup. He also, for the record, interrupted Biden talking about his dead son to attack the one who’s still alive. But easily the most chilling moment was when the president of the United States not only refused to condemn white supremacy—which, as an abject racist, he was obviously never going to do—but told the members of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist organization, to “stand by.” Just in case, y’know, he needs an army to help contest the election and stay in power at all costs.
Tarisai Ngangura: The first presidential debate showed Trump in prime unhinged form. When asked to definitively condemn white supremacy, he acted like he’d never heard of the relevant groups, which, according to the Department of Homeland Security, are the most “persistent and lethal threat” in the United States. When pressed to condemn the violence of the KKK and the Proud Boys, Trump’s support of white supremacy would only allow him to say, “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.” That says everything we need to know about his stance on crime, policing, and anti-Blackness. In a year that’s seen mass peaceful protests made dangerous by the presence of armed militias, Trump’s response was a blatant show of support. The whole debate was entirely off the rails, and Wallace might as well have not been there. Watching those 90 minutes made me feel like I had gone through battle and been battered from all sides, and left me dazed and confused, head spinning.
Abigail Tracy: In his first response of the night, Trump led with a lesson: “Elections have consequences.” What followed was a chaotic display of what happens when a reality-TV star is elected president. Lacking a real audience, Trump flitted his attention between Wallace and his opponent, hurling insults and falsehoods. In contrast, at various points, Biden sought to connect with viewers at home, staring straight into the camera with messages like: “He’s not worried about you.” While Biden certainly had his stumbles, Trump was incoherent and, at times, outwardly dangerous. Arguably, the strongest message he sent was to the Proud Boys and other white supremacist and extremist groups he failed to condemn. Four years in, it remains clear that Trump either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care that his words carry weight.
T.A. Frank: It’d be nice to say something original or offbeat about the first presidential debate, but it’d be like saying something original or offbeat about the Louisville sewer explosions of 1981. When something’s a mess, it’s a mess. It’s really that simple. And you don’t have to think that Biden put in a good performance to point out that the source of the degradation was Trump. He interrupted, complained, rambled, punched below the belt, landed some blows, took some blows, and behaved like Harpo in Duck Soup, jumping into the lemonade vat in front of a line of thirsty customers. You can try to stay above it, but it’s close to impossible. It was almost poignant to see Biden show up in a neat suit with a sprightly striped tie and pocket square, as if he expected a recognizable sort of formality rather than a push into the holding tank.
I’ve been chastened enough to understand that assessing debate impacts is a game I’ll lose. Donald Trump’s first debate against Hillary Clinton in 2016 seemed like such a disaster for Trump that I thought it was the moment that would cost him the election. Nothing cost him the election. Maybe nothing will this time either. But people are awfully tired of the nonsense. Whether you felt Biden was in in high form or in low form when he told Trump, “Will you shut up, man?” probably depends on your rooting interests. Either way, though, it was hard to blame him.
Eric Lutz: There’s a George Bernard Shaw quote that speaks to the dangers of debating Trump: “I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig,” the adage goes. “You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” No matter what happened in Cleveland on Tuesday night, Biden was always going to wind up with at least a little mud on him. But he was absolutely covered in it by the end of the first 2020 debate. From the outset Trump turned the proceedings into a fiasco—a grotesque, impossible-to-watch bickering match led by a president who bulldozed the moderator and his opponent with a deluge of familiar lies, empty boasts, and rage.
William D. Cohan: Joe Scarborough is exactly right: that should be the end of these presidential debates. There’s no need for another one, let alone two. That was an embarrassment and a total disaster. Trump is a bully; Biden can’t help but take the Trump bait time and time again. It was painful to watch and painful to think that this spectacle is the state of presidential politics in 2020. We don’t need to endure any more of this insult to our collective intelligence. This debate changed no minds. Please pull the plug on the next two—let’s just get to the voting.
The president wasn’t enjoying himself last night. There was no mischievous glint in his eye, no mirthful vibrancy in his demeanor. He looked exhausted. He sounded ornery. Gone was the swagger, the detached smirk, that reflected bottomless wells of confidence and conviction. Though described by Tucker Carlson in Fox News’ pregame show as an “instinctive predator,” Trump behaved like cornered prey—fearful, desperate, trapped by his own shortcomings and the circumstances that exposed them. He was a shell of his former dominant self.
are you as cl assy as your hero? Any ticks to crawl under? Namaste
The former vice president brought up Beau, the former attorney general of Delaware who served in the Army and died of brain cancer in 2015, to highlight Trump’s reported criticism of military members.
“The way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being ‘losers’ and ‘suckers,’” Biden began, referencing reporting in The Atlantic. “My son was in Iraq. He spend a year there. He spent a year there. He got the Bronze Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes.”
“Really?” Trump said, cutting into Biden’s monologue. “Are you talking about Hunter?”
LLTD has become, IMO, the most vile zoner in recent times. In the last month, he/she is the ONLY one I see consistently spewing hate-filled vitriol and then doing a 180 and shouting I LOVE YOU ALL. The guy gives me the impression of one of these old hippies, who because he takes or has taken lots of L and dances a lot considers themselves the consumate liberal who is all about peace and love, but secretly unleashes the hate constantly at anyone who challenges his very rigid views on what is right and what isn't. Damn, the dude has said some ugly shit. Your mother should have had an abortion. Fuck off and die. And then some.
Truth is, Bryen has stuck to his commitment to play nice. You may not like his views, but he's not insulting anyone. LLTD can't say the same. The guy's a dick. Maybe it's just a phase, but I doubt it.
And what really gets him, but yet he's completely unable to counter with anything resembling an argument, is that there is more substance to what Bryen spews than most care to admit. The guy might be nuts, but there is plenty of dirt in politics to be spread around all wings of the spectrum. Maybe it would behoove us all to consider his arguments and debate them amongst ourselves (he's not willing to debate). And maybe we can do that without insulting or spewing hate. In fact, pretty much everyone has gotten the hang of it except for LLTD these days on the Zone.
I have been a dick (and angry with Trump and supporters ). FYI not that it matters. not drunk don't smoke and did small doses of L. Less than 25 times over 40 years ago in case it matters
I'm ok with your insults..and differing views
guilty and I should chill. No matter that others insult constantly ... or are as annoying as gucks and a broken record
many of the arguments are valid Diversity is important
no excuse I accept and will be mindful of your criticism
I happened to post this elsewhere this morning friend. Everyone is free to their opinions
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long live the dead
love matters on Thursday, October 1, 2020 – 02:06 pm
I am a door with a malfunctioning hinge ---I do love how much you love me heater
That was mainly for tim in pain, if you identify and take umbrage as well, fine
It's OK to not vote for someone you can't stomach I get it More power to you
Or if you think the two candidates in the election are equal that is your prerogative
My position As an independent. Is that the popular vote count does matter. ESP with what's his face Rattling his sabers that he will not accept being thrown out of office going to the Supreme Court yadda yadda So losing the popular vote by 5 million does matter
it is a free country, and I will vote for Biden as I feel it my moral obligation
sour grapes (and insults) and endless repetitive comments are your
right as well For some it may be annoying (it is for me tbh)
LLTD, I didn't mean to be a dick to you either. I don't know why it gets my goat so bad when I see people crossing that line around here, and lord knows we've all gone there at one point or another (I've been zoning for 14 years, it's inevitable). And maybe it doesn't mean that much coming from some random, but thanks for apologizing to Bryen. I feel like what you did was big and who knows? Maybe if we create a more peaceful and understanding sandbox here, we can do it elsewhere.
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https://www.washingtonian.com
https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/09/28/washingtonians-2020-presidentia...
Take a sip when Trump:
Take a sip when Biden:
Take a sip when either:
Chug when:
Take a shot/finish your drink if:
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You left out when Trump
You left out when Trump complains about Hunter Biden and nepotism
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" when Trump complains
" when Trump complains about Hunter Biden"
^ nothing to see here..."move alongism"
BREAKING NEWS: Word on the street is Biden requested a break every 30 minutes and the Trump camp refused...also, the Biden team had previously agreed to a "3rd party" earpiece inspection and as of this morning have rescinded that commitment.
Note:
malapropism
[ mal-uh-prop-iz-uhm ]
noun
an act or habit of misusing words ridiculously, especially by the confusion of words that are similar in sound.
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That’s not “the word on the
That’s not “the word on the street” as if it’s some secret known only to the select few. I see bry has got the fox talking points down for the eve. Been doing your Hannitywork I see
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Exactly, Bry - nothing to see
Exactly, Bry - nothing to see. Now go inject some disinfectant, like a good Trump cultist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/23/...
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Nancy...I appreciate the discussion, could you please extrapolate on your defense of Hunter's Ukraine/Russia/China scenario and how it doesn't connect with the January 5th, 2017 Oval Office meeting? Thanks...I appreciate the intelligent discussion on the matter, love & respect!
Namaste
-Bryen
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https://vivalazone.org/other
https://vivalazone.org/other-stuff/not-bryens-debate-thread
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https://youtu.be/ULnyvnFgvHo
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Yes you mean that thing that
Yes you mean that thing that was supposed to be the biggest bombshell news story of our lives?
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You prob mean this story from
You prob mean this story from the other thread
Trump sought deals with Moscow mayor
Republicans have accused Joe Biden's son of taking payments from the late mayor's billionaire widow, which he denies.
By NATASHA BERTRAND
09/28/2020 03:25 PM EDT
In a meandering press conference on Sunday, President Donald Trump repeatedly accused his Democratic opponent’s son, Hunter Biden, of receiving millions of dollars from the wife of Moscow’s late mayor Yury Luzhkov, asking why “nobody even has any question about it.”
But Trump himself sought to do business with Luzhkov’s government in the late 1990s, according to press reports from the time, SEC filings and comments made by Luzhkov last year. His attempts to build an underground mall in Moscow and renovate two major hotels there were part of a broader push to secure high-profile real-estate deals in Russia, which Trump was still pursuing as recently as 2016 with a proposal for a Trump Tower Moscow
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/28/donald-trump-moscow-mayor-deals...
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President Trump has not once
President Trump has not once denied in four years that he is in telepathic communication with an alien lizard power. The next logical step is that the alien lizards conspire to make the stock market go down slightly.
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Trump's imaginary Biden is a
Trump's imaginary Biden is a marvel: a confused vegetable with dementia who is also able to memorize hours worth of speaking material
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FOAD BRY
FOAD BRY
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You are less than scum
You are less than scum
your mother should have had an abortion
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Any mental hospitals nearby!
Any mental hospitals nearby!
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Insurance?
Insurance?
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The bike ride was a pretty
The bike ride was a pretty nice if not so subtle jab in the side. Love to see sleepy don try that
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https://youtu.be/rGgG-0lOJjk
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Nobody clicks those
Nobody clicks those
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQruDaf7bKs
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I bet a dime.
I bet a dime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpJ0eVr-U0
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How long into the 1st set
How long into the 1st set until Trumpolini says
Wrong
?
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My favorite from four years
My favorite from four years ago was Trump's brilliant No puppet, no puppet; you're the puppet rejoinder. I really hope Biden can trigger something like that tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu0Bn3ulcOk
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https://youtu.be/km2MlSothJc
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die, troll.
die, troll.
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^ typical Biden
^ typical Biden supporter [unresolved anger issues]
https://youtu.be/_7xMfIp-irg
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Yes Trump supporters resolve
Yes Trump supporters resolve their anger issues. I see it on the highway every day
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Allow me to say this...anyone who has paid a modicum of attention would acknowledge in a moment of candor this entire process may well be over this evening.
In other news the sky is blue and water is wet.
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So when do we get the I
So when do we get the I-apologize-for-being-a-dick thread followed a couple days later by a random music link thread?
I kinda like them better.
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^ I'm actually glad you
^ I'm actually glad you brought that up...I actually apologized for taking too much pleasure and satisfaction from being correct over & over, time & again.
Your mischaracterization of that post is a classic example of "fake news"...which may be a direct result of Rachael Maddow turning your brain to mush.
Namaste
https://youtu.be/6lmVwOhJFhA
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^^^^ In other news the sky is
^^^^ In other news the sky is blue and water is wet.
And you seem quite arrogant through all of this
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FOAD troll - go love yourself
FOAD troll - go love yourself elsewhere
click on this FU the sky is blue and you are all wet - just like your messy messiah
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Someone should probably
Someone should probably remind Biden that he has a debate tonight
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Also its dark and raining
Also its dark and raining here right now
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Predictable need a mute
Predictable need a mute button fo Trump. No more debates without it.
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just wanted to quickly stop
just wanted to quickly stop by and say fuck you Bryen!
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donnie chump
donnie chump
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Trump knew he had to make
Trump knew he had to make that debate unwatchable because if it happened to stumble into substance, he was fucked.
He has one note, being bombastic.
America is tired of this exhausting idiocy.
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The shit show of all shit
The shit show of all shit shows. What a fucking disgrace. What an embarrassment to be an American right now that this is the best we have to offer the country and the world in the form of leadership. How the fuck did we as a country get here. Simply sad and depressing on top of all the other problems this world is facing.
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The only good thing to come
The only good thing to come out of this shit show is that Trump cemented his loss tonight. This was the final nail in the coffin. No doubt.
Fuck him and fuck you if you're voting for him.
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While on the subject of
While on the subject of apologies, I apologize to Alan for my remarks.
Mixed thoughts on the debate...kind of a sleepy debate, like the first round of a boxing match, Biden will probably figure out a way for that to be the last of it.
He survived the evening.
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> kind of a sleepy debate,
> kind of a sleepy debate, like the first round of a boxing match
More like a WWF Wrestling match. With the Don fighting the referee.
Lets agree to rules then ignore them. Not exactly a debate, more like a sandbox brawl.
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Apologies?
Apologies?
are you a proud, boy or a proudboy Be honest please
will you intimidate voters or support refusing to leave office after being defeated No you don't have to admit how passionately wrong you have been after fear furher loses
2020 ELECTION
“Unhinged”: There’s No Going Back From the Trump–Biden Debate Train Wreck
From Donald Trump’s refusal to condemn white supremacists to Chris Wallace’s feeble interjections to Joe Biden’s clear exasperation (“Will you shut up, man?”), the Hive cringed its way through an excruciating 90 minutes.
“It’s been an interesting hour and a half,” moderator Chris Wallace remarked at the conclusion of Tuesday night’s debate. Interesting is one way to put it. Disastrous is a better description for what transpired onstage. Donald Trump kept up a constant stream of interruptions. He disregarded the agreed-upon rules, just as he’s barreled through any norms or traditions he simply doesn’t like these past four years. He ignored the moderator’s pleas, just as he’s dismissed any viewpoint that he can’t bear to hear. He couldn’t even pause the onslaught as Joe Biden mentioned his late son, Beau. Here’s what the Hive team took away from the spectacle.
Emily Jane Fox: Ohio has a rule that, indoors, people must wear masks. That’s a good thing, despite what our president says. In the hall for Tuesday’s debate in Cleveland, however, once Trump’s family members all took their distanced seats, they slipped their masks off their faces and into their laps. They’d all had COVID tests and their makeup professionally done, of course, and it’s a shame to let a thing like that go to waste, so I get it. But Dr. Jill Biden kept her mask on. She knows the rules. She knows the weight of the image she projects. They all do. What the contrast shows is that the Trumps believe they are above the law, that the rules don’t apply to them. In case that wasn’t already clear.
Joe Pompeo: Trump’s pathological obsession with the media and how it covers him was on display right out of the gate. Wallace was trying to get in a fair and sober question about how the president hasn’t unveiled a comprehensive health care plan. Trump immediately laid into him like the masterful steamroller he is. Wallace wrestled back control of the moment. Trump still wasn’t having it. “I guess I’m debating you, not him,” he snarled, “but that’s okay. I’m not surprised.” On paper it might seem like a gift to Trump that someone from Fox News was chosen to moderate the first debate. But Wallace is a real newsman, not a Sean Hannity or a Laura Ingraham or a face on Fox & Friends. Those are Trump’s safe spaces, his warm baths. As for the rest of the establishment media—including the people at Fox who don’t blow him wet kisses—Trump can’t seem to get over the reality that it isn’t their job to write nice things about him. “They give you good press, they give me bad press,” Trump said to Biden a few minutes later. Then came the requisite whopper. “I don’t care. I’ve gotten used to it.”
Gabriel Sherman: A wounded animal is the most dangerous kind. I kept thinking about that truism as Trump—trailing in virtually every respected poll—brayed and bullied his way through the first debate, which at moments seemed more like a contest between him and Wallace. “Unhinged. Trump isn’t winning over any voters. Just playing to his base,” a prominent Republican texted me halfway through. But Trump’s performance was also chilling, even by Trump standards, from his refusal to condemn white supremacists (“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!”) to his refusal to direct his supporters to avoid violence while votes are counted (“I can’t go along with that”). Near the end of the debate, Trump offered a prediction that underscored how we’re on the cusp of a national nightmare: “This is not going to end well,” he vowed.
Chris Smith: It was one moment, but divided into five parts. Again and again Biden turned and looked directly into the camera, trying to connect with the viewers and voters at home, trying to send the message that he cares about Americans while Trump cares only about himself. The first attempt came nine minutes into the debate, when the subject was the coronavirus pandemic and the prospects for a vaccine. “This is the same man who told you by Easter this would be gone away,” Biden said. “And by the way, maybe you can inject some bleach in your arm, and that would take care of it.… Do you believe for a moment what he’s telling you, in light of all the lies he’s told you?” Trump, desperate to drown out Biden, kept interrupting and insulting. The second time Biden locked onto the camera was when the questioning turned to masks as virus protection; he described Trump shielding himself while shrugging off the risk to his rallygoers. “He’s not worried about you,” Biden said. “He’s a fool on this.” Then a third time, after Trump repeated his boasts about creating the best economy ever. Biden mentioned that the rich have gotten richer even during this disaster, before lowering his voice: “You folks at home, you folks living in…working-class towns in America—how well are you doing?”
The contrast was stark because Trump, for all his practice as a TV performer, rarely addressed the camera, instead glaring at the hapless Wallace as he shouted him down, or turning his eyes to stare daggers at Biden. The Democrat’s dogged strategy led to some missed opportunities: Biden, instead of pressing the point, let Trump off the hook when the president refused to condemn white supremacists. But Trump’s bullying didn’t shake Biden from his plan to demonstrate empathy instead of ego. He turned to the lens a fourth time after the president shamelessly, disgustingly ignored the military service of Beau Biden to resume his attacks on Hunter Biden: “My son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people we know at home, had a drug problem,” Biden said, somehow hanging on to his dignity. “He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it.” It was honest and identifiable and vulnerable and decent—or, more succinctly, the very opposite of Trump—and it was Biden’s best emotional touch of the night. But he wasn’t done. “Show up and vote. You will determine the outcome,” Biden said when asked if he was concerned about election security. “He cannot stop you…You have it in your control to determine what this country is going to look like the next four years. Is it going to change, or are you going to get four more years of these lies?” The words hung in the air for a second as Biden’s blue eyes stayed steady, looking into millions of living rooms. Then the air horn that is Donald Trump started blaring again.
Joe Hagan: A disgraceful “shitshow” (to quote Dana Bash on CNN). True, but it’s also true that the debate provided two clear pieces of information that voters need to understand their choice in November. Given the chance to denounce white supremacists, the president of the United States gave comfort to far-right racist group the Proud Boys (“Stand down and stand by”); while refusing to denounce violence while votes are counted in November, he advised his supporters to show up at polling stations to menace voters on the false assumption that fraud would be rampant. This is a fascist, plain and simple. You want a fascist? Trump’s your guy.
Trump looked like a raging narcissist who had no idea how to handle a world outside his own fawning sycophants. He instinctively knows he can’t win in a fair vote, and his chaotic rage—sputtering and harrumphing like a second-rate Mussolini—telegraphed contempt for the very idea of a debate. A narcissist can’t abide rejection and therefore must attack everything and everybody that challenges his fragile ego, including democracy. He was a monster for all to see. Conversely, Biden’s performance was uneven, halting, frustrating, occasionally inspired, but nobody could argue that he wasn’t calm and presidential; Trump turned Biden into a stand-in for the audience, who yearned for Trump to shut up and for Wallace to take control of the shitshow. And that, in a nutshell, is what Biden’s message is: that he’s on the side of the voters/viewers.
Bess Levin: While we haven’t reviewed the transcripts of the presidential debates between Lincoln and Douglas, it seems likely that Tuesday night marked the first time a candidate for president told his opponent, “Will you shut up, man?” and said, speaking to the moderator, “It’s hard to get any word in with this clown.” All of which was entirely justified! Donald Trump spent the evening interrupting, taunting, and bullying Biden like an abusive spouse, spewing his usual cornucopia of lies and making insane statements like that he had Biden “on tape” planning a coup. He also, for the record, interrupted Biden talking about his dead son to attack the one who’s still alive. But easily the most chilling moment was when the president of the United States not only refused to condemn white supremacy—which, as an abject racist, he was obviously never going to do—but told the members of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist organization, to “stand by.” Just in case, y’know, he needs an army to help contest the election and stay in power at all costs.
Tarisai Ngangura: The first presidential debate showed Trump in prime unhinged form. When asked to definitively condemn white supremacy, he acted like he’d never heard of the relevant groups, which, according to the Department of Homeland Security, are the most “persistent and lethal threat” in the United States. When pressed to condemn the violence of the KKK and the Proud Boys, Trump’s support of white supremacy would only allow him to say, “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.” That says everything we need to know about his stance on crime, policing, and anti-Blackness. In a year that’s seen mass peaceful protests made dangerous by the presence of armed militias, Trump’s response was a blatant show of support. The whole debate was entirely off the rails, and Wallace might as well have not been there. Watching those 90 minutes made me feel like I had gone through battle and been battered from all sides, and left me dazed and confused, head spinning.
Abigail Tracy: In his first response of the night, Trump led with a lesson: “Elections have consequences.” What followed was a chaotic display of what happens when a reality-TV star is elected president. Lacking a real audience, Trump flitted his attention between Wallace and his opponent, hurling insults and falsehoods. In contrast, at various points, Biden sought to connect with viewers at home, staring straight into the camera with messages like: “He’s not worried about you.” While Biden certainly had his stumbles, Trump was incoherent and, at times, outwardly dangerous. Arguably, the strongest message he sent was to the Proud Boys and other white supremacist and extremist groups he failed to condemn. Four years in, it remains clear that Trump either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care that his words carry weight.
T.A. Frank: It’d be nice to say something original or offbeat about the first presidential debate, but it’d be like saying something original or offbeat about the Louisville sewer explosions of 1981. When something’s a mess, it’s a mess. It’s really that simple. And you don’t have to think that Biden put in a good performance to point out that the source of the degradation was Trump. He interrupted, complained, rambled, punched below the belt, landed some blows, took some blows, and behaved like Harpo in Duck Soup, jumping into the lemonade vat in front of a line of thirsty customers. You can try to stay above it, but it’s close to impossible. It was almost poignant to see Biden show up in a neat suit with a sprightly striped tie and pocket square, as if he expected a recognizable sort of formality rather than a push into the holding tank.
I’ve been chastened enough to understand that assessing debate impacts is a game I’ll lose. Donald Trump’s first debate against Hillary Clinton in 2016 seemed like such a disaster for Trump that I thought it was the moment that would cost him the election. Nothing cost him the election. Maybe nothing will this time either. But people are awfully tired of the nonsense. Whether you felt Biden was in in high form or in low form when he told Trump, “Will you shut up, man?” probably depends on your rooting interests. Either way, though, it was hard to blame him.
Eric Lutz: There’s a George Bernard Shaw quote that speaks to the dangers of debating Trump: “I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig,” the adage goes. “You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” No matter what happened in Cleveland on Tuesday night, Biden was always going to wind up with at least a little mud on him. But he was absolutely covered in it by the end of the first 2020 debate. From the outset Trump turned the proceedings into a fiasco—a grotesque, impossible-to-watch bickering match led by a president who bulldozed the moderator and his opponent with a deluge of familiar lies, empty boasts, and rage.
William D. Cohan: Joe Scarborough is exactly right: that should be the end of these presidential debates. There’s no need for another one, let alone two. That was an embarrassment and a total disaster. Trump is a bully; Biden can’t help but take the Trump bait time and time again. It was painful to watch and painful to think that this spectacle is the state of presidential politics in 2020. We don’t need to endure any more of this insult to our collective intelligence. This debate changed no minds. Please pull the plug on the next two—let’s just get to the voting.
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Too much fun club
Too much fun club
The president wasn’t enjoying himself last night. There was no mischievous glint in his eye, no mirthful vibrancy in his demeanor. He looked exhausted. He sounded ornery. Gone was the swagger, the detached smirk, that reflected bottomless wells of confidence and conviction. Though described by Tucker Carlson in Fox News’ pregame show as an “instinctive predator,” Trump behaved like cornered prey—fearful, desperate, trapped by his own shortcomings and the circumstances that exposed them. He was a shell of his former dominant self.
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I imagine Bernie madoff
I imagine Bernie madoff exhibited a lot of the same behaviors in the years leading up to his arrest
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Bye ren
Bye ren
are you as cl assy as your hero? Any ticks to crawl under? Namaste
The former vice president brought up Beau, the former attorney general of Delaware who served in the Army and died of brain cancer in 2015, to highlight Trump’s reported criticism of military members.
“The way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being ‘losers’ and ‘suckers,’” Biden began, referencing reporting in The Atlantic. “My son was in Iraq. He spend a year there. He spent a year there. He got the Bronze Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot and the people left behind there were heroes.”
“Really?” Trump said, cutting into Biden’s monologue. “Are you talking about Hunter?”
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Fuckshit family
Fuckshit family
lol " 1st family" dare I ask if it could possibly be any more embarrassing ?
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Namaste.
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Lltd has some sweet drunk
Lltd had some sweet drunk posting last night
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LLTD has become, IMO, the
LLTD has become, IMO, the most vile zoner in recent times. In the last month, he/she is the ONLY one I see consistently spewing hate-filled vitriol and then doing a 180 and shouting I LOVE YOU ALL. The guy gives me the impression of one of these old hippies, who because he takes or has taken lots of L and dances a lot considers themselves the consumate liberal who is all about peace and love, but secretly unleashes the hate constantly at anyone who challenges his very rigid views on what is right and what isn't. Damn, the dude has said some ugly shit. Your mother should have had an abortion. Fuck off and die. And then some.
Truth is, Bryen has stuck to his commitment to play nice. You may not like his views, but he's not insulting anyone. LLTD can't say the same. The guy's a dick. Maybe it's just a phase, but I doubt it.
And what really gets him, but yet he's completely unable to counter with anything resembling an argument, is that there is more substance to what Bryen spews than most care to admit. The guy might be nuts, but there is plenty of dirt in politics to be spread around all wings of the spectrum. Maybe it would behoove us all to consider his arguments and debate them amongst ourselves (he's not willing to debate). And maybe we can do that without insulting or spewing hate. In fact, pretty much everyone has gotten the hang of it except for LLTD these days on the Zone.
What gives?
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>>>>>Truth is, Bryen has
>>>>>Truth is, Bryen has stuck to his commitment to play nice. You may not like his views, but he's not insulting anyone
No, he's insulting everyone.
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You may find his views
You may find his views offensive, but he's not insulting people. Not that I can tell.
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dont you realize javs? the
dont you realize javs? the biggest and most serious insult is dissent
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I know. How dare he?
I know. How dare he?
After all, being American is all about conformity, right? Oh...wait a minute....
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https://youtu.be/80dsyo2Ox-0
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I have been a dick (and angry
I have been a dick (and angry with Trump and supporters ). FYI not that it matters. not drunk don't smoke and did small doses of L. Less than 25 times over 40 years ago in case it matters
I'm ok with your insults..and differing views
guilty and I should chill. No matter that others insult constantly ... or are as annoying as gucks and a broken record
many of the arguments are valid Diversity is important
no excuse I accept and will be mindful of your criticism
I happened to post this elsewhere this morning friend. Everyone is free to their opinions
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love matters on Thursday, October 1, 2020 – 02:06 pm
I am a door with a malfunctioning hinge ---I do love how much you love me heater
That was mainly for tim in pain, if you identify and take umbrage as well, fine
It's OK to not vote for someone you can't stomach I get it More power to you
Or if you think the two candidates in the election are equal that is your prerogative
My position As an independent. Is that the popular vote count does matter. ESP with what's his face Rattling his sabers that he will not accept being thrown out of office going to the Supreme Court yadda yadda So losing the popular vote by 5 million does matter
it is a free country, and I will vote for Biden as I feel it my moral obligation
sour grapes (and insults) and endless repetitive comments are your
right as well For some it may be annoying (it is for me tbh)
ssi what is your favorite pie?
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And I do love you and yes I
And I do love you and yes I do love diversity
i don't love how my country feels now and am exasperated
some of the threads have had great posts (and you personally have had some nice presentations )
and I choose to say I love you regarding well presented views
and diversity
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That was awful what I said
That was awful what I said Bryen. Please do accept my personal apology
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Everytime I try to tell
...everytime I tried to tell you the words just came out wrong
https://youtu.be/kiIARdPMb1I
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Bry. Ty.
Bry. Ty.
I never click on you links, but owed you one
Good song
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https://youtu.be/w5-GzQsXqt0
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LLTD, I didn't mean to be a
LLTD, I didn't mean to be a dick to you either. I don't know why it gets my goat so bad when I see people crossing that line around here, and lord knows we've all gone there at one point or another (I've been zoning for 14 years, it's inevitable). And maybe it doesn't mean that much coming from some random, but thanks for apologizing to Bryen. I feel like what you did was big and who knows? Maybe if we create a more peaceful and understanding sandbox here, we can do it elsewhere.
Thanks, LLTD. Have a great day!