I made it through about 2/3 of it the other night. I fell asleep, because I was tired, not because of the show. But it was crazy, but nothing I didn't know already. It's just that here you have the people who created this shit telling you how fucked up it is and what a bunch of egocentric childish little pricks they all are and have been. Like babies with nuclear bombs. I guess it had to happen, but Gen Z really is going to be all fucked up because of this in terms of socialization and psychological development. Hopefully, the next generations will have a little more sense as to the proper usage of screens and internet.
On the other hand, it's pretty clear that our future is screen-related, it ain't going nowhere. Especially now after the pandemic. It's become totally normal for kids to spend 7 or 8 in front of their computer for school time, another hour and a half of video games (the maximum recommended screen time for 14 year olds), but then they want to socialize and of course you don't expect them to never socialize again so then you're talking about an hour or more of facetime or whatever. During all this time kids can easily open whatsapp on their computers, telegram, snapchat, tik tok, instagram, whatever. Parents walk in? You close it in a hearbeat. Teacher on video conference asks you to put the phone away? You say ok, and do it again in two minutes. We are in a fucked up Catch-22.
So the key thing moving forward is going to be to educate our children in values and ethics so that online communication becomes reflective of the type of society we want. But sadly, it's going to be impossible to get kids away from all these hyper-dangerous online platforms. As a teacher and as a parent, I am part of the minority of parents who greatly restricst my children's online presence. In my house: No cell phone till your 14, my 13 year old gets 1 hour 45 minutes of screen time max a day, combined total and my 8 year old 50 minutes. No social networks until AT LEAST 14 and even then we will have the passwords and share the profile. But none of this is because we are strict and impose it upon them. In our family we.talk about these issues, the evidence, what the experts say, what the risks are, etc. and then we create healthy limits together with our kids.
Oh, and I've deleted all my social networks a long time ago. Fuck that noise. I find that my advertising algorithm is no longer such a direct reflection of my online activity.
So Amazon has direct access to my credit card purchases.
Actually, no. Amazon only knows that you were shopping at a bike parts. You would get the same email if you just browsed the site. In reality most ads these days are served up via Google ad server and any of the sights that use Googles AdSense can see what you are looking at at any of the "member" sights. So if you look at a bunch of home improvement videos on YouTube, you will be "served" more home improvement ads at most sites. A perfect case in point is that a certain model of Ferrari was being discontinued and I read a news release about it. Since then I have gotten a lot of Ferrari dealership ads whenever I am browsing around the web. I didn't go to Ferrari dealership website and I certainly didn't buy one. What the algorithm told Google was that showed an interest in Ferrari and when cross referenced to my living location in an affluent area that I "could" be someone that might be in the market for a Ferrari. I ignore the ads and at some point of time they will disappear. Of course, I might win the lottery and decide that I want a Ferrari. In that case they the ads did their job.
I've trained myself over the decades to ignore advertising of all types. Even if it's a well-made, interesting ad I still ignore or forget within seconds the brand name. Internet ads are a lot easier to ignore than TV ads, especially since I usually browse w/o the audio on - only turn it up when there's something I want to hear. Also, I don't use any social media. Hence, I don't really care much about internet ad algorithms. I don't like the idea, but it doesn't really affect me personally.
Social media algorithms are shaping the conversation of the world. Every time you say to yourself I can’t believe people think that the earth is flat or that wearing masks promotes pedophilia. That is happening because of Social Media worldwide. Those are harmless examples, but false information spreads six times faster on social media than true information and that isn’t a bug it’s a feature. That is because social media only makes money if you spend time on the platform to consume their ads and outrages false information keeps people engaged and the algorithms push that information. Whether you use it or not it is having real world impacts.
The screens are with us there isn’t anything we can do:
There is nothing wrong with the Internet, computers or smart phones. We don’t have to accept that as a price of being online that these companies get to track every keystroke and then get to store that data about us. We need to make the Internet dumb. There is no reason that these companies should have the data they have on us. Viva doesn’t deploy algorithms to keep us coming back and spending ever more time here. It doesn’t push the most outrages content to the top. There is no reason why the rest of the Internet can’t function the same way.
I just see better ads and I’m fine with that:
The algorithms aren’t just showing you better ads. They are getting better everyday at making you spend more time online and that goes double for kids. Suicides are up, cutting is up, eating disorders are up. This is all because of the internet making kids depressed and unhappy as they try to keep up with a worldwide competition of beauty and acceptance. Kids can’t see a Cliff Bar ad on TV because they have too much sugar in them, but online they get to see everything.
I've never owned a cell phone... I know if i use my laptop, my ads will often reset to the area where I'm using it. But what really cooked my noodles, is when I discovered they can follow my truck (2013 model, has satellite radio and a phone).
I went to one of my mining sites, no laptop, but I was in the field for a week. When I got home, almost all my internet recommendations and ads had switched to that new area (a place i've never lived)
I really enjoyed the documentary- definitely concerned for where we are heading. I see the scenes acted out in the documentary play out in 3D all the time.
Me too. I noticed Reddit has started lighting up my message box as red with a little number in it. Whey I click on it it is just some content they want me to see. No one sends me messages on Reddit. I know that, but the urge is huge to click on that box.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: r n terrapin1977
on Monday, September 14, 2020 – 02:55 pm
So true. I bought two bike
So true. I bought two bike tubes at a bike shop. Paid with credit card.
Next day Amazon sent me e-mail with assorted bike part recommendations.
They had never done that before. So Amazon has direct access to my credit card purchases.
As the credits roll the interviewees seem somewhat optimistic about turning things around
but I think it's too late. People love being addicted to their advices.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight Javs Corner
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 07:57 am
I made it through about 2/3
I made it through about 2/3 of it the other night. I fell asleep, because I was tired, not because of the show. But it was crazy, but nothing I didn't know already. It's just that here you have the people who created this shit telling you how fucked up it is and what a bunch of egocentric childish little pricks they all are and have been. Like babies with nuclear bombs. I guess it had to happen, but Gen Z really is going to be all fucked up because of this in terms of socialization and psychological development. Hopefully, the next generations will have a little more sense as to the proper usage of screens and internet.
On the other hand, it's pretty clear that our future is screen-related, it ain't going nowhere. Especially now after the pandemic. It's become totally normal for kids to spend 7 or 8 in front of their computer for school time, another hour and a half of video games (the maximum recommended screen time for 14 year olds), but then they want to socialize and of course you don't expect them to never socialize again so then you're talking about an hour or more of facetime or whatever. During all this time kids can easily open whatsapp on their computers, telegram, snapchat, tik tok, instagram, whatever. Parents walk in? You close it in a hearbeat. Teacher on video conference asks you to put the phone away? You say ok, and do it again in two minutes. We are in a fucked up Catch-22.
So the key thing moving forward is going to be to educate our children in values and ethics so that online communication becomes reflective of the type of society we want. But sadly, it's going to be impossible to get kids away from all these hyper-dangerous online platforms. As a teacher and as a parent, I am part of the minority of parents who greatly restricst my children's online presence. In my house: No cell phone till your 14, my 13 year old gets 1 hour 45 minutes of screen time max a day, combined total and my 8 year old 50 minutes. No social networks until AT LEAST 14 and even then we will have the passwords and share the profile. But none of this is because we are strict and impose it upon them. In our family we.talk about these issues, the evidence, what the experts say, what the risks are, etc. and then we create healthy limits together with our kids.
Anyways, watch the documentary...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight Javs Corner
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 07:58 am
Oh, and I've deleted all my
Oh, and I've deleted all my social networks a long time ago. Fuck that noise. I find that my advertising algorithm is no longer such a direct reflection of my online activity.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur AMSaddler
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 08:29 am
So Amazon has direct access
Actually, no. Amazon only knows that you were shopping at a bike parts. You would get the same email if you just browsed the site. In reality most ads these days are served up via Google ad server and any of the sights that use Googles AdSense can see what you are looking at at any of the "member" sights. So if you look at a bunch of home improvement videos on YouTube, you will be "served" more home improvement ads at most sites. A perfect case in point is that a certain model of Ferrari was being discontinued and I read a news release about it. Since then I have gotten a lot of Ferrari dealership ads whenever I am browsing around the web. I didn't go to Ferrari dealership website and I certainly didn't buy one. What the algorithm told Google was that showed an interest in Ferrari and when cross referenced to my living location in an affluent area that I "could" be someone that might be in the market for a Ferrari. I ignore the ads and at some point of time they will disappear. Of course, I might win the lottery and decide that I want a Ferrari. In that case they the ads did their job.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 08:34 am
As someone who worked in
As someone who worked in advertising for 35 years - FUCK advertising.
Made a clean break in 2018.
The best thing that happened to me after leaving that world was that I GOT MY SOUL BACK.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 08:45 am
I've trained myself over the
I've trained myself over the decades to ignore advertising of all types. Even if it's a well-made, interesting ad I still ignore or forget within seconds the brand name. Internet ads are a lot easier to ignore than TV ads, especially since I usually browse w/o the audio on - only turn it up when there's something I want to hear. Also, I don't use any social media. Hence, I don't really care much about internet ad algorithms. I don't like the idea, but it doesn't really affect me personally.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 08:46 am
Propaganda all is phony
Propaganda all is phony
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune Turtle
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 12:16 pm
i don't think it was very
i don't think it was very well done.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 01:37 pm
Few points:
Few points:
I don’t use social media so it doesn’t affect me:
Social media algorithms are shaping the conversation of the world. Every time you say to yourself I can’t believe people think that the earth is flat or that wearing masks promotes pedophilia. That is happening because of Social Media worldwide. Those are harmless examples, but false information spreads six times faster on social media than true information and that isn’t a bug it’s a feature. That is because social media only makes money if you spend time on the platform to consume their ads and outrages false information keeps people engaged and the algorithms push that information. Whether you use it or not it is having real world impacts.
The screens are with us there isn’t anything we can do:
There is nothing wrong with the Internet, computers or smart phones. We don’t have to accept that as a price of being online that these companies get to track every keystroke and then get to store that data about us. We need to make the Internet dumb. There is no reason that these companies should have the data they have on us. Viva doesn’t deploy algorithms to keep us coming back and spending ever more time here. It doesn’t push the most outrages content to the top. There is no reason why the rest of the Internet can’t function the same way.
I just see better ads and I’m fine with that:
The algorithms aren’t just showing you better ads. They are getting better everyday at making you spend more time online and that goes double for kids. Suicides are up, cutting is up, eating disorders are up. This is all because of the internet making kids depressed and unhappy as they try to keep up with a worldwide competition of beauty and acceptance. Kids can’t see a Cliff Bar ad on TV because they have too much sugar in them, but online they get to see everything.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 02:40 pm
I haven't watched it yet but
I haven't watched it yet but had we not noticed that even by speaking around your phone about a product an ad is generated to your social media?
They don't need to have access to your account -- as long as they know your trends they're doing their jobs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 03:00 pm
If you are interested in
If you are interested in learning more there will be a round table.
https://virtualpremiere.splashthat.com/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane fishcane
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 03:03 pm
Fagen was right about the
Fagen was right about the internet
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: joy blackrock
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 04:44 pm
had lunch with an old friend,
had lunch with an old friend, touched on many topics as we caught up, including death and cremation
I go home after and check the mail box on my way inside
among the post is a letter from the local crematorium
less then 2 hours after mentioning it they were able to place a hard copy in my mailbox?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba Noodler
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 05:13 pm
I've never owned a cell phone
I've never owned a cell phone... I know if i use my laptop, my ads will often reset to the area where I'm using it. But what really cooked my noodles, is when I discovered they can follow my truck (2013 model, has satellite radio and a phone).
I went to one of my mining sites, no laptop, but I was in the field for a week. When I got home, almost all my internet recommendations and ads had switched to that new area (a place i've never lived)
charming.....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: r n terrapin1977
on Tuesday, September 15, 2020 – 06:02 pm
One thing Amazon knows is
One thing Amazon knows is that I can't buy one share of it's stock.
Up 56 today to 3160.00
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jay Siobud
on Monday, September 28, 2020 – 09:52 am
I really enjoyed the
I really enjoyed the documentary- definitely concerned for where we are heading. I see the scenes acted out in the documentary play out in 3D all the time.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Monday, September 28, 2020 – 12:49 pm
Me too. I noticed Reddit has
Me too. I noticed Reddit has started lighting up my message box as red with a little number in it. Whey I click on it it is just some content they want me to see. No one sends me messages on Reddit. I know that, but the urge is huge to click on that box.