Let's talk about Aerosmith

>>>>>Let's talk about Aerosmith

Let's not.

They were big in the late 70's...

Lol@ creed and nickleback 

You wouldn't be saying that too loud in Boston without taking a right hook.

I have seen Aerosmith twice in concert and Yes in retrospect "They Suck"

I only saw them once @ Woodstock 94

When I was a Medical volunteer

They played in the pouring rain..

And put on a decent show. 

Nice fireworks after as well...

I wouldn't have paid to see them, but I was off shift,

and was at that stage when they came on.

Saw them in 86, Ted Nugent opened...i remember that there was a lot of spandex. I didn't post it in the Favorite Show thread. 

I've seen them twice live and they did a solid job both times. The first time was the best in 1977 at Giants Stadium with an undercard of Ted Nugent, Journey and Frank Marion and Mahogany Rush. The second time was at PNC Arts Center co-headlining with Kiss. Fun times at both. 

I saw the 86 tour show as well in St. Louis.  Was looking forward to seeing Nugent, but Aerosmith blew him off the stage. 

Aero + The Toxic Twins were one of the hottest bands to ever grace the Palace stage. Fucking killed it live, rock your shaggy ass to the curb. One of the best bands ever, period. 40 hahaaaaa you know nothing youngsters crack me up. The younger this place gets, the dumber it gets.

 3-3-78  another best night ever.

I was at most of these, a few hit your town too I bet  >

palace-bands-part 2
http://www.palacewaterbury.com/palace_bands/palace_bands_part%202.htm

Surprised they are all still alive.

72 Dead - Just one of so many great shows here. Aerosmith had chicks so worked up hot, they even danced with me >

palace bands of the 1970's part 1
http://www.palacewaterbury.com/palace_bands/palace_bands.html

The younger this place gets, the dumber it gets.

LOL. Age has nothing to do with it. Certain bands that are great bands seem to be targeted for ridicule despite their talent. I remember some of the comments when I stated that Ace Frehley probably influenced more guitarists than Jerry Garcia and definitely caused more people to pick up a guitar for the first time. There have been quite a few Zoners who have stated that Bruce Springsteen was the worst show they ever saw and has no talent. I understand any performer not being your cup of tea but to put them down when they obviously have strong talent makes me scratch my head.   

Brad Whitford is God. Met him at one of the Expierence Hendrix tours, incredible player, super cool, he actually joked about making buko bucks playing in Aerosmith, then playing on that Jimi tour for basically pennies. Just for the love of Jimi's music, and he can play it. 

But yeah,  just to reiterate, youngsters don't know shit.

Saw em in 86 and 87. Pretty swell. Worked on Tyler’s house in NH in the early 2000s. Awesome pad

there's plenty of worse bands.

Joe Perry fun facts:

Joe and his girlfriend went to see Led Zeppelin at the Boston Tea Party and Jimmy Page ended up fucking the girlfriend.  Instead of being pissed, Joe saw it as a badge of honor.

Many years later, Joe would score smack from an up and coming band called Guns n Roses whenever they played LA.  Later, when GnR toured with Aerosmith, the handlers had to separate the two bands while traveling to make sure GnR wasn't a bad influence on the newly sober Aerosmith.

I was 14-17 when the Aerosmith, Toys in the Attic, Get your Wings, Rocks albums came out. The period of when friends and neighbors were getting cars, or parents cars, and we were stepping out into the world for the first time alone, to parks, concerts, hang outs. Those songs are forever etched in my fabric even though it is a band I quit following after those albums, we called them the cop out kids, cuz they canceled their Cleveland shows during that period, had tickets two or three times. Including the 77 stadium show With Nugent, Mahogony Rush, when the replaced them with Southside Johnny and the Jukes, that did not go over well. People threw all kids of shit at them including fireworks. Little Steven was playing with them and him, south side and another band member came out to the field area next to where we were sitting and tried to get a few of the people that were throwing shit to go back stage and meet Ted Nugent. The kids would not go, they knew they would get an ass kicking if they went. 
 

Seasons of Wither is a great song 

Fun facts.....

hmmm.  Rock n roll sucks

saw them once.  Checked  off the list.  It was pretty ok

I guess I'm a minor Aerosmith fan. I have their albums, I listen to some of them. My favorite song is chip away the stone from the live bootleg record. Richie supa wrote that, and is a somewhat unofficial member of the band. Last child is up there too. They rock. Woodstock 94 was the only time I've seen them, in the mud, and i've seen ted nugent a bunch. God, what a prick.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't good.

I've seen them many times over many years, loved 'em every time I saw 'em.

For a very long time they created a raging rock 'n roll atmosphere inside a venue like few others could.

They were a GREAT rock 'n roll band.

They have a good story too. Success, excess, fall from glory, breakups, makeups, perseverance, reclamation, return to glory, loyalty, survival.

Just a little rock 'n roll.

That's all I ever ask.

So with Aerosmith, you really have to look at different parts of their career to dig in on this.  I got turned onto the Dead and Hot Tuna in the summer of 1976 and saw my first concerts from them and so, Sabbath and Smith kind of faded for me.  At the time the Dead opened my mind in 76, I was hard for Black Sabbath and Aerosmith and would wear out my Get Your Wings album.  Everything from their first self title Aerosmith album in 1973 up through Draw The Line in 1977 rocks (maybe not so much Draw The Line).  But they smoked.  I saw them at the Spectrum in 1977 and the show was cut short because of an M80 or something got tossed on stage hurting Tyler and Perry--so they just said fuck you and split.  Nice my philly brothers! I remember them being pretty sloppy before they split--sound wasn't good.  But this era, was pretty Rock N Roll.  Then, post Draw The Line, enter Jimmy Crespo and then the bust up--not a good eara. I saw the Joe Perry Project 1n 1980--I think it was Alexander's in Browns Mills, NJ and he was wasted out of his mind. I kind of lost interest in them being a stone cold Tuna and Dead freak by that time.  After a few forgettable albums like Night In The Ruts and Rock in A Hard place and Done With Mirrors in the late late 70's & mid 80s they, cleaned up, sobered up and came out with came out with Permanent Vacation, Pump and Get a Grip which were radio friendly, power ballads--good but missing that X factor to me.  Last Smith record a bought was Honkin on Bobo.   Say what you will about Tyler but he is a rock star and when he is on, he can rip it up.  I always thought Brad Whitford was the glue and the most underrated in the band--he fills out their sound, not flashy.  Joey Kramer has got like two gears--pound and pound-faster.-nothing fancy but serviceable.  I will put Lord of the Thighs, Pandora's Box, Seasons of Wither, Back in the Saddle, No More No More, Uncle Salty, Adams Apple, Sick as a Dog and Combination up there with any other hard rockin band of that era

Good greasy review

heathen  has religion 

and is not really wrong.     This time 

Good greasy review

heathen  has religion 

and is not really wrong.     This time 

Good greasy review

heathen  has religion 

and is not really wrong.     This time 

Just stopped painting.  Whoa 1/3 of a pliny

and I am 1/2 way drunk.....

maybe

I saw them back in '78 at the Long Beach Arena in LA, and they were really fucked up, lol.   AC/DC was the warmup act, first time in the states, and they freaking smoked Aerosmith right off the stage!  

2 years later I ran into the band Nantucket at a Tejas truck stop outside of Houston, they were hitting me up for weed (I had long hair, f-holed acoustic in the back seat of the rig), I'd been on the road for a month and looked like it, lol.  They were really nice guys, and were travelling with the gear while warming up for AC/DC on their first headlining tour of the states (they travelled by Leer Jet, Aussie bastards!)

Always enjoyed the early albums, not many US bands go back in time like they do (or the dead did), with the same members...

Very well put, Greasy.

Never saw 'em, but if you haven't cranked their version of "Back In The Saddle" at full volume while driving or otherwise, well, c'mon man. 

I saw AC/DC open for UFO back in 77-78 and they blew the place up, Angus opened the show coming thru the back of the Hall, later he carried Bon Scott on his shoulders thru the crowd. UFO was awesome too. My friends brother was on embassy duty for the Marines in Australia when AC/DC was just starting, and he would bring home their albums and crank it up in his van. We knew what was coming but no one else in music hall was expecting the opening act to rip their faces off.

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>>>>>Let's talk about Aerosmith

Let's not.

My exact reaction.  They're promoting a tour on the radio and billing them as "The Greatest American band EVER!!".  Yuck.

Had the Aerosmith "Toy's in the Attic" and "Rocks" on 8 Track in the late 70's and loved it. Never saw them. Saw The Joe Perry Project open for some band I don't remember at the Cap Centre around 1981.

Is Steven Tyler bisexual?

I have come to appreciate some of later era output.   Lots of hits there.

No matter how much you talk about them - at this point in time, Aerosmith no longer gives a shit about your opinion.

Did anyone see the episode of American Pickers,

that featured their old tour van?

That was cool.

There are few people that wear a silk scarf better than Steven Tyler.

That is all.

Everything sucks if you want it to suck. It's easy...all you need is....

One of the few...

Jimi Hendrix.

They dont suck. We all just burnt out of the same ole stuff.

They ran out of good rock a long time ago.

Over exposure.  If Aerosmith was the Beverly Hillbillies or The Andy Griffith Show of television shows, they should have stayed in Black and white

When I was a kid (8th to 9th grade) I went through a brief Aerosmith phase, where I got into their earlier work. All their albums from the 70s are pretty good. They were never meant to be a massive cultural icon, but they put out good rocking rock and roll. My suspicion is that their music, like many other musicians before and since, stopped being good when they stopped doing drugs. I don't mean to say that drugs create good music or musicians, but when a person's inspiration is closely tied to their habitual drug use, when they stop doing those drugs it's only logical that the inspiration wears off too. Musicians whose music post-drugs sucks: Aerosmith, Johnny Cash, Ray Charles and many others. It's not the same for musicians who start out with psychedelics as psychedelics CAN lead to long term use AND a healthy lifestyle, unlike cocaine or heroin or ecstasy or pills. Even so though, most 'psychedelic musicians' eventually find their way to the hard drugs which then proceed to consume their being slowly but surely. Sometimes not so slowly.

So yeah, post-drugs Aerosmith became a low-rent pop-song band. No judgement, they rake in the millions, do what they love and people are still entertained by it. But no, they don't suck. You may not like their music, earlier or later, but man, they've managed to build a almost 50 year legacy of putting on music and making money doing it so, props to them.

she broke the needle now she can't sew

I liked honkin' on Bobo

I went to see ELP with my brother when I was 10 but Aerosmith was my first concert on my own even though my mom drove me and a friend to Providence for the show in 78. As a teenager in New Hampshire they were rock gods right up there with the Stones and Zeppelin. There was rumor that they weren't going to play because Tyler had been hit by a firecracker in the eye at previous concert and he came out with sunglasses. Seems like that is a common theme for them based on this thread. Even though I didn't know anything about anything it felt like a super short show and the opening band I had never heard of called Styx blew them away. 

My first few concerts were Aerosmith, Fog Hat, and Van Halen and then I saw the dead and the that was that for the next 10 years. Never saw Aerosmith again.

Did see Aerosmith back as a junior in high school.  '88?  

Guns n Roses opened at a shed in the OC called Pacific Amp?   I remember Aerosmith being ok but GnR brought the house down.  All comes out for the encore in a gorilla suit for Welcome to the Jungle.  Throwing bananas around.  Had 10th row center and caught one.  As a teenager, I thought that was rad.  Mama Kin is a good Aerosmith tune.  Crosses over to that GnR tour. 

While we discuss bands that might have been good for a moment (a moment) in the past but who now are considered to suck - can we make room in the discussion for Widespread Panic, Phish, Moe, The Dave Mathews Band, Umphrey's Mcgee, Disco Biscuits, Michael Franti, Ratdog and Jimmy Buffet? Thanks in advance.

Nice list.

Although I have been to a couple of Ratdog shows that didn't suck.

Well, those shows may have been during Ratdog's "moment", Surf.

I disagree with the premise Javs posted about musicians post-hard drugs creative abilities.  First of all, Johnny Cash made some excellent late career records.  Specifically, the Rick Rubin produced "American" Volumes 1-4 albums are all worthy.  Jorma Kaukonen stopped using hard drugs in the early 1980s and has continued to write and perform music at a high caliber as he now approaches 80 years old.  Bob Dylan kicked his methamphetamine habit in 1967 and kept making great music.  Tom Waits got sober in the early 80's and created quality new works for the next 30 years.  Neil Young doesn't do cocaine anymore, and has continued to make good art.   
 

Aerosmith is a good Arena Rock band.   The music snobs I grew up around used to derisively call them Arenashit.  They could bring it in their early years. The self-titled debut, Get Your Wings, Rocks and Toys In The Attic are all excellent 70s Rock 'n Roll records.  The first Joe Perry Project record, "Let The Music Do The Talking", is also a smoker.  Some of their late 80s comeback material stands up.  I don't care for Honkin' On Bobo, and haven't paid much attention to them for the last 30 years.  
 

There was a time when they and their peers in American Rock 'n Roll bands (Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, ZZ Top, Ted Nugent, Bob Seger,  REO Speedwagon, Journey, Jefferson Starship) loomed large in the American psyche.  Richard Linklater did a good job of chronicling that time in his film Dazed And Confused.

I agree with you Dave, on your assessment of Aerosmith's early years, but disagree on your assessment of the later work of the artists you mention. While you (an audiophile) and others who really dig on music, may know all about Cash, Young and Dylan's later work, truth is they have faded from the collective consciousness because their later work just isn't that great. Pretty much everyone and their mother knows Heart of Gold, Down by the River, etc. I think only die hard Neil Young fans listen to his later work. Sure, Dylan has put out some decent stuff in his later years but nothing with the power of his early years. Everyone (pretty much) has some familiarity with early Dylan. Ask them to name one song off of Tempest, though. Funeral dirges just aren't as exciting as his earlier stuff. Again with Cash: everyone can hum along to Walk the Line but hardly anyone is familiar with his later stuff. 

An artist never loses the ability to be an artist, but I think that when you marry your inspiration to a substance it's very difficult to later reach that same feeling without the substance. You might get some emotion out of people, but it won't have that depth. Of course, this is not a die hard rule, but really, which would you prefer to listen to: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road or I Guess That's Why They Call it the Blues?

As for Phish, Widespread, Moe, Dave Matthews or Jimmy Buffet sucking, that's just silly. I don't know anything about Umph or Bisco and I never cared for Ratdog, but they don't suck either. You may not like their music but damn, those are all skilled musician. I personally think Dave Matthews is a giant pusswad and I really don't like his music but it IS well written and superbly executed. You can't suck at playing music and pull that off.

I don't think we're talking about ability to play music, but about creativity in writing and arranging the music Music can still "suck" even if it's well-played.

Dylan's "Murder Most Foul" just became his first #1 Billboard charting song, so I don't think the public has forgotten him.  Neil Young has several late career high water marks (Ragged Glory, Harvest Moon, Broken Arrow, Psychedelic Pill).  Most importantly, neither have coasted on nostalgia for their earlier work and have continued to create new material and reimagine their early works.  They remain vital artists.  Patti Smith and Steve Earle are also in this group of post-sobriety high caliber artists.

>>Richard Linklater did a good job of chronicling that time in his film Dazed And Confused.

A spot on comment from Dave.

>> Most importantly, neither have coasted on nostalgia for their earlier work and have continued to create new material and reimagine their early works. 

Another spot on comment from Dave

>>Music can still "suck" even if it's well-played.

A spot on comment from Surf. A good example of this is Kenny G - an excellent musician who plays VERY well on all his albums that suck.

And finally
>>which would you prefer to listen to: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road or I Guess That's Why They Call it the Blues?

I'll take Tumbleweed Connection for $400, Alex.

What is a pusswad?

Someone who whines about affordable housing?

>>As for Phish, Widespread, Moe, Dave Matthews or Jimmy Buffet sucking, that's just silly. 

There is good music and there is bad music. Good music is what you like and bad music is of course the opposite. That's your taste or my taste. Of course no music sucks. I might have just been trolling a bit there, but honestly - Aerosmith does not suck either and that was the context of my cheeky troll comment about those bands and artist sucking.

For some completely unknown reason, other than you're just plain old more creative in your younger years, drugs or not, most classic rockers of our generation wrote their greatest material in their 20's or early 30's.

Look at certain bands and their bodies of work, and then "poof", you can't do that any more? The Lovin' Spoonful- Sebastian with 10 killer songs in the 60's, and then fades later with the Kotter theme. The Rascal's- loved all their hit's- disappeared. Fogerty- amazing stuff for 3 years and leaves us with Centerfield. Stephen Stills- all-world songs for years and Southern Cross is your last hit? Jerry- St. Stephen or Foolish Heart? Could Jimmy Page (or Zep) crank up anything close to Whole Lotta Love again? Lennon- A Day In The Life or Watching The Wheels?

Not that ANY of those songs "suck", but the creativity and quality do scream my point. Again, I don't have the clear answer, unless the whole world is on dope. I'm not a creative person, so just asking. For a friend. Named Sixer. 

Now hold on there - Watching the Wheels is a great song with a very important message, but otherwise you are right on, my friend Earl.

Sadly, while many will deny it, money is a big motivation for creative art.  Da Vinci got paid to paint the Sistine Chapel.  Once your basic needs are met, and you've had your ride on the fame merry-go-round, it's pretty common to coast.  Why did Gary Larsen take the last 30 years off?  What's impressive are the ones who come back and create meaningful new work (Tal Farlow, Sixto Rodriguez, Paul Pena, Devo, Robert Fripp) and the ones who never lost their creative force (Dylan, Young, etc.).

There is also the part where most humans fall in love with the popular music of their teen years and early 20's. Some move on and explore more music the future - but most are trapped in the music of their youth because they get older and are not as caught up in the current music scene as they were as carefree teens. That is why oldies stations exist. Most musical artists, unless they become mega-stars, appeal to their fans who were there when they were young. The music moves on and new bands take their place in the minds of the next generation - once again with the exceptions of true mega-stars whose appeal crosses generations. And fans want to hear the hits of when they were young - and record companies wanted artists to repeat their successes over and over until their fan generation moved on and they no longer could sell new music from these artists because people only wanted to nostalgically remember their hits.

At least that's how it was.

The digital music future in which most record companies are most likely irrelevant may free artists to release their own music that stays relevant to the time?

Big Maybe.

Unlike those of us here who hold a big passion for music in their lives - many folks don't really care and they let other people select music for them.

I pity the fools that weren't around for the 70's live band assaults. My HS years were music heaven, what an introduction to da shit.  You read that list from the palace, the caliber of bands were cream of the rock crop. And that's only a partial list. I was at that Muddy show in 73, he played with Willie Dixon and the Chicago Blues All-Stars. And that Johnny Winter 75 show, that's the show the Ramones warmed up, they mention it in their documentary. And it was like that for years. The Best practically right in my hometown, I was very lucky and blessed. But I was far from a music know em all,, quite a few of those shows my friends coaxed me to in waterbury and I'm so glad they did. Who ever said no in HS ? Not me.  Aerosmith was probably one of em, my deceased bud Jim Cole dragged me to that one. Holy fuck what a time.  I knew nothing about getting on any fuckin bus,, till 72, then the Palace theater opened up the world to me. I hopped on many busses thanks to my friends and that place

Why pity someone when you're living in a personal hell for live or new music? Sucks to be you right now. 

>>> Kenny G - an excellent musician who plays VERY well on all his albums that suck<<<

Damn 6, you've listened to all of Kenny G's albums?

I'm not sure if that's impressive or depressing.

Two words:

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Emooooooooooootion...

Yeah Johnny, that's a great rock song, with one of the great rock 'n roll riffs (or whatever they're called) of all time.

And again I'll say, as someone who has never and will never own an Aerosmith album or who has ever been an active fan in general, their shows in the early/mid '90s were things to behold, and if you were there and thought it sucked or were bored, then you just don't like rock 'n roll.

Two more words

"Adam's Apple".  
 

back when Cain was able
way before the stable
lighting struck right down from the sky
a mother ship with fate said let's give it a try
conscience was related
man he was created
lady luck took him by surprise
a sweet and bitter fruit
it surely opened his eyes
well she ate it
lordy it was love at first bite
well she ate it
never knowin wrong from right

even Eve in Eden
voices tried deceiving
with lies that showed the lady the way
at first she stopped turned and tried to walk away
man he was believer
lady was deceiver
so the story goes but you see
that snake was he
she just climbed right up his tree

[chorus]

evil came like rainin'
who knows who's to blamin'
something tried to lay her to waste
and all she want and need was just a little taste..

yea, she ate it 

Aerosmith and Rush are both alike in my book, after the first 4 albums it was pretty much over 

I'd rather listen to Kenny G over post AJFA Metallica. 

Yeah Knot, I don't listen to either of them, but I've seen them both live multiple times.

Today, yesterday, tomorrow, Metallica destroys Kenny G live.

GTTS

Please don't pity me, Ras. 3/4 of the bands you like were on auto play all throughout my high school years on the classic rock station.  And nearly every single one of those bands I could never stand.

ACDC was the only one I liked from that heaping pile of Rush, Boston and Journey shit.

I Was There 14 0r 15 we got dropped off and walked  back from the santa monica civic back to the santa monica canyon Blazing Real Thai Sticks and Blue Sinsemilla

Aerosmith Toys In The Attic tour 4~7~1978 !

we had Fun

Seasons Of Wither
Sweet Emotion
Lord Of The Thighs
Chip Away The Stone
Get The Lead Out
Get It Up
Draw The Line
Same Old Song and Dance
Toys In The Attic

The songs Metallica wrote after 1990 sound like this if you remove the instruments and leave the vomiting. 

https://youtu.be/kHQGf-7-nK4

Sample 1978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sedxHbz5L10

>>Damn 6, you've listened to all of Kenny G's albums?

>>I'm not sure if that's impressive or depressing.

Okay - I have not listened to all of them - but enough to form a good opinion. In a time in the past I was a radio DJ and I was forced to play (and listen) to a lot of different music while I was on the air. Kenny G was one such musician who's popular songs were forced onto my playlist by management. 

Our ancestors only lived around 40 years on average. Back then, creativity meant figuring out how to stay alive. That we can do anything meaningful after that age is just gravy, evolutionarily speaking.

>>> creativity meant figuring out how to stay alive.

That's a great and ironic line. Seems like plenty of that still going on today.