Biden Bros

its almost as if a percentage of people from all political persuasions deal with things like anger and immaturity, and passionately defending your belief structure and those who share it is a part of having consistent and deeply held moral conviction

I'm sorry to hear that, Ken.

On a positive note: that's cool that your son's in Estonia.   Safe travels. 

< inexplicably likes to argue with strangers online

Well at least he has a scrotum, unlike his father who makes asinine online comment after asinine online comment, gets rebuffed, then runs away, too afraid to deal with actual debate.

After reading your posts ken I fund you so full of shit you rival slacker for useful commentary. Yer nuthing but a hater. Repub hater + dem hater, bash em both every chance you get. Well why don't you and yours start and remain loyal to what you really are,  a 3rd party Socialist ? Its evident when you held your nose to register dem that you don't belong to the party. You and yours are nuthing but split the dem ticket hand the election to trump fucktards. I know you won't respond so, have a nice day, loser.  Lawyer ???  Hahaaa yer still a fucking moron.

>looked for the server<

Is he hanging with Giuliani? How's his investigation of  Burisma going?

Biden supporters can do no wrong. Apparently they've "lived it" and know what they are talking about but don't know many facts. They especially don't know facts regarding the success of Democratic Vice Presidents running for President. I think there has been one who has got the nod? Ouch.

Ken, you ignorant slut.

Let me see if I got this right - your son, wait, how did they ever link him to those Twitter posts ? He must have been announcing to the crowd his intentions. Real smart.

So your son is over in Estonia, a country on Putins frontline, a country that knows first hand what that truly means to have a rabid wolf at the door.  And your son decides to publicly go after the candidate that, even the fucking Estonians know has the best shot at defeating the wolf at their door ? Dammm 

Too bad smarts don't run in your family as much as ignorant arrogance.

You don't need to be smart when you own 3 AR-15's...

You just blast your way through, duh

ken, you have viva's resident centrists melting down in multiple threads. 

yeah it's looking like the establishment did a pretty good drop of cutting off bernie's limbs. 

theh def know how to play the game. 

what i'm confused about is why are you cheering on biden? 

you were all in for the only other progressive in the race, yet you hate bernie. 

strange. 

>>> yeah it's looking like the establishment voters did a pretty good drop of cutting off bernie's limbs. <<<

ftfy

I would've voted for bernie had he made it.

I didn't vote for biden.

but will in the general.

see how simple that is?

Talkin’ about Rastarded !!

Classic zoning up in here

wow

Damn, Ras,

Why the Ken and family bashing?  He seems like a reasonable, intelligent, and respectful person to me.

Granted, I'm not too good about keeping up with petty drama, but you seem to be having a pretty dramatic meltdown about this.

Take good care of yourself.

Best,

JD

Keep up the good work Tod. 

ras, where have you been? 

melt n run? 

Sticking to my words.  Still waiting for ken to respond. Not holding my breath

Not that anyone would give a damn what I say, but I'm with Johnny, Ras. Your "attack" on Ken was a bit surprising. I feel he's usually a thoughtful and intelligent contributor. 

Not sure what set you off on him. But after reading some of these political threads, thoughtful and intelligent could use a boost here. 

In the "Michigan, Mississippi....." thread, Timpane invites people to join in. For the life of me, I'm not sure why someone would. You three or four have made things a little ugly. 

It's unnecessary and won't change anything. In 8 days, this will all be over but the crying, and your insults and bickering will have changed nothing but your blood pressure.    

>>>yeah it's looking like the establishment did a pretty good drop of cutting off bernie's limbs. 

Heat, this piece from Jennifer Rubin in the Washington Post has a different perspective. I resisted posting it yesterday as things in these threads have turned so ugly, but it speaks to your comment. I'll post it all so it's here for whomever wants to read it.

Have a nice day all! 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinions-sanders-gets-more-trumpi...

Opinions | Sanders gets more Trumpian by the day    Jennifer Rubin 1 day ago

Populist leaders present themselves as the only authentic voice of the “people.” Therefore, critics in the media are enemies of the people, for to take on the leader is to attack the people. When the leader is rejected at the polls, it cannot be an authentic expression of the people. The system must be rigged; the establishment must be out to get the candidates and, by extension, the people. 

We have seen this for the three years President Trump has been in office, and previously in his 2016 campaign. The deep state, the fake news and the elites (not “real” Americans) are out to get him, he says. He insists that all these forces do not respect the people, his followers and the only real Americans.

We are reminded in watching Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), as his presidential campaign fizzles, this mind-set is not limited to the right. Sanders had this exchange on ABC’s “This Week”:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: When you joined us last Sunday, you were leading in delegates, look poised for a big lead coming out of Super Tuesday. Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg all still in the race. How surprised were you by Super Tuesday and how do you explain it?

SANDERS: "Well, one of the things that I was kind of not surprised by is the power of establishment to force Amy Klobuchar, who had worked so hard, Pete Buttigieg, who, you know, really worked extremely hard as well, out of the race.

What was very clear from the media narrative and what the establishment wanted was to make sure that people coalesced around [former vice president Joe] Biden and try to defeat me. So that’s not surprising.

We are taking on, George, as I think everybody knows, the establishment. We’re taking on the corporate establishment. We’re taking on the political establishment. And what you are seeing now just in the last few weeks is Wall Street, the health-care industry, the billionaire class putting a lot of money into Joe’s campaign."

This is bonkers. Other Democrats got out of the race because voters across the country did not vote for them. Sanders sneers at them as if they are puppets on a string, yanked out of the race by nefarious forces. They actually looked at the facts, saw they could not win and decided Biden had a better chance to unify the country and beat Trump than did a self-proclaimed socialist who cannot resist the urge to pick fights with his own party. This is akin to his waving off South Carolina voters, predominantly African American, and instead attributing Biden’s win to “corporate Democrats.”

Sanders’s complaint about billionaires giving to Biden’s campaign (they would be limited to $2,800 per person like all other donors) is part of the fixation with attributing opponents’ success to something other than popular opinion. Sanders had no real answer when Stephanopoulos pointed out that “you outspent him on Super Tuesday.” In fact, one of the remarkable aspects of Biden’s romp on Super Tuesday was his lack of ads and organization in states in which Sanders poured in millions and had paid people on the ground. 

For an ideologue such as Sanders, there is always reason to oppose practical measures, be it the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement or President Barack Obama’s bailout to save the country from a devastating depression. Stephanopoulos pointed out that the latter was “also backed by President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, your own senior senator from Vermont, Pat Leahy.” Were they also wrong? Sanders responded, “That’s right.” For Sanders, no Democrat is pure or operating out of good will. They are all dupes and pawns.

One might ask how he expects to accomplish any of his extreme agenda when so many in the Democratic Party have no interest in his views or how he expects to unite a party when, he acknowledges, “we’re not going to get the support of most elected leaders. Not most governors, not most senators.”

Sanders keeps insisting he is “winning the support of grass-roots America.” That simply is not so. Biden won 10 of 14 states, driving turnout sky-high in states he won, like Virginia. Sanders’s promised onslaught of new voters has never shown up.

Perhaps he and his snarling online supporters should confront an unpleasant truth: Sanders’s problem is not the establishment or corporate Democrats or billionaires. It is the voters. 

^lol. rubin is an establishment hack who'd rather see trump re-elected than see all americans have healthcare coverage and the ban of fracking. 

fucked up. 

and everything bernie said is true, you don't have to like him to know what he said is fact. 

>>> and everything bernie said is true, you don't have to like him to know what he said is fact. <<<

another stellar truth piece by ol bern yesterday and on what better platform...

the truth news network, state run television, Fox.

smh

>>  I might have mentioned it before, but my son's name is "Kai." (HIs legal name is Wilderness but goes by Kai for short)<<

How does that work?  Kai is short for Wilderness?  I could understand Cobra Kai :).

your issue is w/ bernie going on fox? 

lol sucker. 

>>>>>you don't have to like him to know what he said is fact.

You don't have to hate him to know what he said is opinion - Amy and Pete were polling in single digits in the general.

Isn't Johnny D's kid also Kai?

< I feel he's usually a thoughtful and intelligent contributor

As do I, even if he's hardly ever right.  Opinions are good, but when they're based on lies and innuendo they need to be addressed.

 < Not sure what set you off on him.

It's his bullshit am talk radio attacks on all things dem not bernie. Or have you not noticed ? His sons doing putins dirty work attacking biden in the fucking baltics for christs sake, apple didn't fall far from the tree. I've heard him be more supportive of stump policys than dem policy. And never responding to any counter points. I consider that weak, no debate, exactly like our other resident bbros. Kens just got a tad more finesse, fuck him. The Socialists here really need to stop their bitching, dem bitching, and go start their own fucking party. See how that works out for em. America's answering right now my brothers

>>> your issue is w/ bernie going on fox? 

lol sucker. <<<
 

lol desperate.

ras continuing to melt at a steady 4.0. nice. 

thod, your post would indicate desperation. 

surf, if you don't think that was planned, then idk what to tell yas man. great plan. it worked. 

Kai is Hawaiian for Sea. 
 

Do you ever have anything interesting to contribute pyramid, or is you're whole schtick reduced to attacking everyone you don't agree with ? Seriously dude why just waste bandwidth, just to see your name online ? Like being in the phonebook, yer somebody ?  Well words are definitely your handicap so you may wana stick more to charts n graphs

thod and trump want the same thing today. lol. 

that's why votes matter Ken, not the perfect candidate.

it's the only chance.

and only if everybody gets out to vote for the dem candidate, whether you like them or not.

otherwise, trumps next 4 years is on you.

ken lives in a blue state. 

its not on him. stop blaming people and start doing something about the people in the swinghole states.

^Exactly what I've been staying but it seems to fall on deaf ears. Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio will decide the general.

Sure, but if you think one candidate is even just marginally better than the other, why not do your share in electing them?

Nobody knows who you voted for, unless you need to brag about it.

>>>otherwise, trumps next 4 years is on you.<<<

I am so fucking sick of hearing people say this. Where was your hero Joe Biden in 2016? 

He fucking CHOKED.

And he’s still the best guy the Democrats have for the job? Lol

Dunno 'bout choked. His son had just died of brain cancer and Obama was urging him not to run.

>>> ken lives in a blue state. 

its not on him. stop blaming people and start doing something about the people in the swinghole states. <<<

IDGAF turtle what state your in or color of it, fact of the matter is people are suffering all across the country.

The senate and the courts have told us, the only check that remains on this unlawful af administration,

is our vote.

and it needs to be huge!
 

because of all the election cockblocking the GOP has put in place, and the

russian disinformation that clearly a shit ton of people have lapped up.

there is no savior that's coming to rescue us.

people need to wake the fuck up.

California is so ignorant. 

^^yeah, and you thought warren was the person for the job. my god. 

Bss, I assume you know this is 2020 and we're not playing the game right?

hate it all you want.

stakes are higher than they've ever been.

sit on your hands and keep thinking whatever.

you clearly appear to have made up your mind so I could give a fuck.

peace.

Give Turtle a break.  He can only see as far as his 11am IPA liquid lunch.  

>>> ^^yeah, and you thought warren was the "best" person for the job. my god <<<

ftfy

tough comeback kid.

lol

thod so angry today. 

we should probably elect the guy who can take the rust belt:

wow. 

>>>Dunno 'bout choked. His son had just died of brain cancer and Obama was urging him not to run.<<<

Yeah, demands at the Presidential level are demanding. Why didn’t it stop him from mourning very publicly, or say from making late nite tv appearances?

Do you think he is the best/only guy that can beat trump, and also give him a pass on the last election? 

Guy has been running/not running for over 30 years.

When it was joe’s biggest chance to step up and show real presidential leadership through a time of real personal adversity, he failed. 

Thats not a character flaw, but it is a colossal lapse in judgement.

That poll is bunk.  Plenty of polls show Biden winning by a landslide in Michigan.  Sad. Shameful.

that's in the general, racket. so angry today. 

>That poll is bunk.  Plenty of polls show Biden winning by a landslide in Michigan.<

P-nutz limping around here posting polls...

smh

it really is fascinating watching you carry on.

such compassion.

when your levee breaks, shit's gonna leave a mark and a painful memory.

rest assured, I'll be here to help console you.

i'm good man, wha you don't understand is that i'm used to being on the losing team -- i didn't just hear of bernie and vote for bernie in 2016 like you b/c it was cool. 

that said, if bernie does well tonight we carry on, trying to provide a more just life for regular americans. not sure how you could be against that, knock that, make fun of that, but so be it. that's on you. 

You’re just looking for a free ride.   like you said yourself,  You’re a loser.

racket that's all you say about bernie supporters, yet everyone here is a tax paying citizen w/ careers and all that other bs. 

you repeating that right wing talking point just makes you look stupid. 

P-nutz I believe if bernie would've been able to halt the vitriol and attacking of anybody not for him

and had laid out precise plans for how he gets to his ideas.

he could've done much better.

but...

he couldn't even run his bro game right.

how the fuck do you think he can run a country?
 

it's too bad, he had some great ideas but that's all they'll ever be.

that's just lazy thinking, thod, which you've exhibited this entire campaign. 

biden and the centrists have received hundreds of millions of dollars of free media coverage, advancing their corporate message 24/7. that's a huge advantage. this is a fact. 

regardless, bernie has run a quite impressive campaign -- if you don't think so, ok. 

but it's coming down to a republican lite corporate dem vs. a democratic socialist. as much as you hate it, bernie has woken up the country to the fact that we aren't represented at the highest level, and that we'll never be until we take back control from the corporations. 

this is why the fake populist beats your corporate dem. 

nothing fundamentally changes under biden -- his words. 

They hate him because he’s not a democrat

and they love the guy who said he would consider a Republican as his VP

does not compute.

it's like pelosi campaigning for pro life "dems". 

the dem establishment is more closely aligned w/ the GOP than real working class dems. 

they don't represent our interests. 

bernie didn't inspire or move the needle at all. 

he's done worse than he did in 2016.

that's on him.

the bros hurt more than they helped.

thing that I scratch my head on is the fact he did nothing to quell their outrage.

worst tactic ever, except it worked for trump.

amazes me how he thought he could bulldozer his way to the presidency.

smh

Homeowners have too much to lose.

thod that's not what is happening at all. haha. 

31 state strategy, buddy. hahahaha. 

Warren lost man, I'm good with it.

The difference is I never campaigned for her.

People can vote for whoever they want.

but you my bro, you've campaigned incessantly day in day out for ol bern.

only wished for you that he got a respectable showing better than 2016.

what happened?
 

nvm, that was rhetorical.

< the idea that I am some sort of Trump supporter, that is silly.  

Well thanks for showing up again, and I'll try to be nice.

What I see happening here is, thanks to the Bernie bros, the rift in the democratic party has become more than apparent, its wide and unfixable. What is happening is the birth of that 3rd party. But the timings fucked,  it's at the expense of not just the democratic party, at which the bernie bros seem to revel,  but at the expense of the entire fucking country. Bernie bros splitting the dem vote this year ensures another stump victory. If you can't see it I can't help ya. But I'd really appreciate it if you'd take your Leninist ideology and start your own god damm party.

^There's a few polls that show trump leading in Michigan. Just like 2016 when Hilary was closely ahead in polls vs Trump at this time and then he ended up gaining ground and winning. Looking like if Biden gets the nod it will happen again. Without Michigan there will be no win for democrats. Done.

at least bernie energized Iowa...

because that's it
 

We need bigger government,  that’ll solve everything.

Corporatists, the lot of you.

wanting trump gone, almost everybody.

Racket doesn't care if Trump is gone. He doesn't support Democrats. Ignore him and focus on the enemies in your head. 

racket's gonna racket

Sweet, I have a spokesperson now.  

^ hahahaa nice endorsement, maybe

I don't have to speak he defends me, a drunkards dream if I ever did see one

Hey tinpan are you the one who's having a birthday today ? Ok politics aside guard down - -

Happy Birthday ya Screwloose Fucker !  Turn it up today !

Racket has been a great surprise addition to the zone in 2020. He also seems to really get under slackers skin. 

It was Sunday but thanks.

Ken has always been a gentleman on this site, never attacking anyone, always presenting rational arguments and supporting his ideas with evidence. You can agree with him or not but to attack him is just a dick move. 

To attack his son is just a low reflection of character. Damn. Talk about crossing lines...

..

No worries javs, if your son went to putins front door to spread shit about our candidate best suited to defeat trump, I'd have no problem whatsoever in calling out that treasonous little shit too. But of course that would never happen, would it ? Would it? Ha United we stand fuckers devided we fall. Those who contribute to the divide and fall, can go fuck right off.

No worry javs no offense taken.

^Maybe take a nap? Come back when rested.

Ras, did you drink your juice box and eat your snack this morning? And did you take your nap after lunch like we had talked about yesterday? You get so feisty when you're tired and hungry...

hahahaha ras melting allllll week. 

classic multi-day, multi-thread melt, folks. 

nice. 

Mississippi goes to Biden.

Heater has been on full tilt melt for months.

bernie is headed to Vermont tonight...

any insight P-nutz?

Can someone please explain to me how 0% reporting = Candidate X winning the state? I'm not saying Biden didn't or won't win Ole Miss - that's kind of obvious. I've just seen this a lot in the primaries where I see sources saying someone won a state with 0% reporting. Is this just based on exit polls? Seems kind of irresponsible, no?

You know Ras is at the Allman's show checking this thread every so often and screaming over the music to some rando about how the Bernie Bros here just don't get it....

Michigan is neck and neck, btw...

Javs, when the exit polls are huge and insurmountable, somewhere like 30-40 pts.

they feel comfortable enough to call it.

Michigan doesn't close for another 35 mins 

21% in Michigan 

biden 52%

bernie 44%

Biden sweep?  All depends on JR.

Be good, custies 

Hahaha, flying 6 hours across the ocean to see a band is like so hip maaaaaaan.

Racket, what do you do in Europe besides hookers?

Have fun with your Biden until November. At least you'll get a few months of hype out of it.

Swim in pools.

certainly none of my Sanders predictions, or anyone else who supported Sanders on the zone, have come to fruition.  there is nothing left to do but hold your nose and vote Biden in Nov if you are in any state where it matters. 

The flights free brah.

just like healthcare should be.

Michigan called for biden 2 mins after closing.
 

bernie votes in 2016 were actually anti hillary votes.

bernie votes in 2020 have been really showing how much actual support he has.

huge difference, wonder why?

If you are in any state that matters>>>

Any hillbillies or rednecks from Michigan, Ohio or Wisconsin here?

PA too.  its just redneck enough to vote trump again without all Dems (minorites at obama like levels, Sanders folks as if he is on the ballot) support in Nov

PA alone isn't enough. I agree Biden will absolutely need it to win though.

its his only path.  to retake some of the midwest and PA.  

Bernie won the white vote by 14 points in 2016 in Michigan 

2020 as of now he’s losing it by 4

Retake some of Midwest>>>>

Yup, prob should get ready for 4 more of Trump. Just not gonna happen. Biden easy lunch for him. Oh well, was fun to watch Bernie try as hard as he could again but our corporate country is just too greedy and evil. Everything can now go on as they plan with no interruptions.

Guess maybe my children's children's will have nice things if the earth is habitatable

all of that maybe is and I think is true Timpane.  we gotta own the fact that we were dead wrong about the outcome and making excuses for it is not that.

its an asskicking none of us Sanders folks saw coming until it was too late.  and for the life of me, no more dem primary debates please.

there are zero reasons for the party to weaken its own candidate and Sanders would beat the tar outta Biden in debate 

None of this is like fucking surprising or anything 

Nothing is free, genius.

ahem, take your shift at the mine (winky face)

Biden may surprise everyone in the debates, and go after Trump hard. He has it in him. He could rattle the bell out of Cheeto.

Keep paying high taxes and get nothing but subsidizing corporations and rich people dumb shit.

And it really is free.

84 open seats. Plane is still going there, with or without me

that fastball dont reach 90 plus anymore, Brian.  potus is an imbecile but with that already known, he will eat Biden's lunch in the debates.  hoping for the sympathy vote postdebate.  that potus will be so juvenile that folks will sympathize with Biden and the verbal ass kicking he will take   

>>> None of this is like fucking surprising or anything <<<

what like your response to the bernie drubbing?

you're right.

on another note...

Yang just endorsed biden

We'll see, OGPZ, he showed some chutzpah today when he told the dude, "cut the shit, I'm not going to take your guns. I support the 2nd amendment." It was refreshing to hear a politician lay it down like that.

Be good Custie, I mean tod...

you deserve what you'll get.

Be good Custie, I mean tod...

you deserve what you'll get.

I voted for Sanders, but will of course get behind Biden when he's the inevitable nominee. Predicting an all out assault by Russian bots and troll forms to make sure Sanders supporters don't vote for Biden. Crossing my fingers that 2016 doesn't happen again. 

funny thod rooting against bernie. 

warren is worse than HRC. shameful. 

but it says a lot about you to be cheering against bernie. he's just trying to get people healthcare and save the environment -- shit people need to live. oh well. 

good luck is nov., guys. you're gonna need it. 

did you just pick up your ball up and go home?

sad

>>Keep paying high taxes and get nothing but subsidizing corporations and rich people dumb shit

This is where the bros don’t get it.  I don’t support corporate welfare.  When will the bros realize that government supports all of this.  And your messiah wants to increase government?  Genius. 

thod is cheering against billionaires and corporations paying their fair share of taxes. 

what a tool. 

LMFAO!

>And it really is free.

>84 open seats. Plane is still going there, with or without me

more brain surgery.  That route is not sustainable, and either is being subsidized by the government, or will be, or it will be shut down.  I guess corporate airline subsidies are ok by Turtle since he gets to go for “free”.  Blahahahaha

"Javs, when the exit polls are huge and insurmountable, somewhere like 30-40 pts."

Thanks, TOD, I figured it was something like that.

Now, I know some folks here want to call this a 'drubbing' (is that really a word?), and honestly, it would all be much simpler if it was that. But right now according to https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-primary-elections/results-map?icid... Biden's at 762 delegates and Bernie at 631with no results from Washington, Idaho or N.Dakota. Depending on how those states go, there's a chance the night could end with Bernie pretty close behind Biden. This is, IMO, not a good thing, despite me liking Bernie. 

If there's a clear lead and it's obvious that Old Joe's got it, then Bernie will be forced to drop out and throw his cards in with Biden. However, if they continue within a reasonable distance, Bernie really has no reason to drop out for a while, which will continue generating tension in the party. It would also likely take some of the wind out of Biden's sails, which could possibly narrow things down more. If that trend continues until the bitter end of the primary cycle, the Bernie crowd will be in a tizzy. Not sure that that would benefit Biden in the general. 

Like it said, it would be much cleaner and easier if there were a decisive victory, but I guess we'll find out by sunup...

>>> thod is cheering against billionaires and corporations paying their fair share of taxes. <<<

lol

not that I want trump gone at all costs, no way.

smh

^so confused. 

But to think that Biden could muscle up and take on Trump in a debate is, IMO, totally naive. Trump don't give a fuck about rules, or logic or any of that. He's just damn good at whipping up a crowd into a frenzy, it's what he specializes in. The man is damn successful as a populist and Biden is not. Hell, Biden still respects the times at the debates. He can't even argue over Pete Buttigieg...

>>> ^so confused. <<<

nah, I'm good...

you're just butthurt that nothing you've ever said held true.

sad

ok. i'll play. 

and you're defending the 1%. 

more sad. 

bernie gonna keep truckin tho. 

it's not over yet. 

this makes thod angry. 

I just saw that California is only at 76% of the vote in. How the fuck is that even possible? Is this because of mail in votes? This is all very confusing...

bernie couldn't even win Michael Moore's district tonight.

bernie won in 2016 65% to clinton's 33%

2020 biden 48% bernie 43%

what do you think happened?

Well Javs, Trump is fragile as shit, and he's a total bitch when someone goes after him. Joe isn't as doddering as you're making him out to be. He's smart, and a seasoned and skilled politician. He knows that he can get to Trump, and I'm sure that he knows how to do it. Again, he's not a senile puppet with no facilities to attack Trump to his face.

For every Biden gaffe clip, there are three covfefes.

Biden can operate an umbrella.

Biden's not snorting Adderall.

Well, it looks like we'll find out in the not-too-distant future...

It's due to the corona virus hysteria, but please keep showing your ignorance. We have what we have in this country because of people like you. Hope a sick person doesn't cough on you. 

you are like the upper echelon of dipshit zoners. Bwahahaaa? Is that intelligible for you?

Trump is going to wish he never heard of Hunter Biden.

Junior, Duhric and Ivanka, more so.

Right, and government subsidies are coming soon to cruise lines and airlines.  

Racket wants subsidies to buy snow for Mammoth. 

Unfortunately, Drkstar, I never thought Bernie would win. I support him simply because he had a moral and ethical support for humans and ran a campaign based on care and love for one another. This country is much too in love with oil, war and greed for him to win. It was great to see somebody stir up the pot and his ideas are now prevalent and aren't going anywhere. When you have super pacs donating 100 of millions of dollars to the candidates of their choosing on both sides, well they get what they want. Just how our corrupt election system works.

Biden senior gaffs ? Riiiiiiiiiiight,  try again dem haters

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