Dead & Co Cancún, Mexico, Day 1 Playin' in the Sand

i find it weird.

Slow Jams!
I'm hoping they will stream Friday's show fo free (as it's not listed as a show that you can pay for) 

Pass.

See yas on the Ghost  Light stream.

Resort wear in full effect.

I like Bobby on acoustic. (Peggy-O)

>>>i find it weird<<<

Weird is good.

I saw some photos of the venue and where they're staying from friends who are there and it looks like a pretty sweet setup for a great big party.

There is at least one Vivaist at the shows, so it will be good to get some first-hand accounts of the revelry.

Slow music for slow ppl!

Am I wrong that they've played that exact set before

Every Dead & Co first set is like a Furthur first set on a Bob night

Saw 1st set and Weir seemed alert and on mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDxybs_YEI

^ Why no talk of?

Great setlist but I wish the band would just lighten up and give us free aud/vid streams. They'd still sell the same amount of overpriced tickets to shows. How much $$ do these fucks really need to squeeze us for  ?

the worst post dead band ever. 

By far the best post GD band.

So is there no show tonight Woz?

Or is it a super-uber innie private club show?

Either way, hope you're having fun.

Tonight is the night off. Foundation of Funk and Lettuce play tonight!

Yeah, why play Friday night?  

Dead n Co website lists a sold out show for today 

Just started stream on GD Radio

"How much $$ do these fucks really need to squeeze us for  ?"

Every last cent.

"By far the best post GD band."

So off the mark it can't even be considered wrong.

"Great setlist"

Take out the openers and you have a standard late 80's set list.  Another reason that this is not even close to being the "best post GD band."

>>>By far the best post GD band<<<

In the context of bands that have had all or most of the "four" I agree.

In my experience ("experience" being the key word in this type of deal) of The Other Ones, the various formations of The Dead and the Fare Thee Well band, Furthur & D&C have been the two most satisfying in the room for me, and I REALLY wasn't expecting that to be the case. I preferred Furthur but ultimately, and surprisingly, I think D$C is the better band. They don't always play good shows, but when they do they're real good.

Whoop it up down there woz, hope you see some good ones. Phil in the Little Room was rockin' & rollin' last night as well and I know you would have loved that one too.

Carry on.

Cool 

Thanks for schedule 

I think the best post-GD bands featuring core members are some (not all) of the lineups of Phil Lesh & Friends from 1999 - 2006. 

I've tried to like Dead & Company. They have some good moments, but I find overall the music is too slow and boring to sustain my interest for an entire show.

"By far the best post GD band."

Haha.  Wow.  Just...wow.

so they don't play on friday night? 

weird. 

Fly in wed. 
 

thurs show

friday hangover/jet lag vacation mode, site seeing etc...

Sat. show

sun. show 

mon. whatevs 

dig'em smacks

I'll be back in the little room for Phil next Thursday Tom, see you there!

Guess im not alone in my assessment of too slow tempos.  Mayer's too fast, too many note jams,  in juxtaposition with the slow tempo, makes it even harder for me to like them. Oteill doesn't come close to filling Phil's shoes either IMO. So aside from all the hoopla and lights what part of this band is better than other post Jerry ensembles? 

Anyone?   I would really like to understand what it is ( musically) about this group that could be considered better than The Q, The Dead, Ratdog, or even Furthur? I get the "expose more new folks to the music w Mayer" or "sell out bigger venues" or "make more money for the boys" debate, but musically, seriously?  I think the average PnF show at TXR is light years above that generic fluff. I guess its kind of like the early years of GD vs the last few years.  Definitely different. Music vs party. Just a few thoughts YMMV. 

I tend to agree with you Mr. SurJade.  Strongest DeadCo.  night is comparable to horrific GD 95 era but Mayer replaces Vince spot,  not a lot of appeal there.

Still I will attend one DeadCo.  outdoor shed event perhaps someday if it's really easy  Ø};

For example I have the all-summer lawn pass for Camden.  If they show up there I'll try to go.

its all to slow and "manufactured" at this point.

Bob isn't a band leader , & c'mon ...and the other  2 remaining members of "the dead" should just hang it up ....john mayer on lead..i dont get it

great guitarist, im not taking that away from him...his dead sound ..doesnt do it for me 

give Phil credit, he knew when to hunker down and find his homebase...smart man ! :) 

tree on point

12/30 had some good moments - did not like the room, but hung with some next generation fans, which I did like

listened to a few minutes of 12/31 on Sirius- they were dogging it to these ears

"By far the best post GD band."

Haha.  Wow.  Just...wow.

so agree - but to each their own   "and in the moment"

there is only one phil , and many of his efforts have blown away a lot of this crap -and this is / was the phl zone after all

the band I saw last night had zero original members, but more fire (on the mountain too)

I don't think anyone is saying D$C is better than any of Phil's groups, or any other GD related band like JRAD or whatever. At least for me I'm just comparing them to the various formations of The Other Ones, The Dead, Furthur & Fare Thee Well.

Personally I liked Furthur better because to me their musical sensibilities were more aligned with the gentler '70s Grateful Dead approach, while D$C are more aligned with the '85 - '95 big, loud, heavy, more obvious stadium presentation. But to me Furthur felt more like a short-term project than an actual band, while for better or worse D$C feels like a group with a single cohesive vision, which is why I say D$C is the "better" band.

What has worked for me with the Co. is that (shockingly) to my ear Mayer learned and really embraced the flowing, conversational style of lead guitar in GD music much better than most other traditional rock or jazz guitarists have, and he & Chementi have really formed a musical connection; they often lock together and really "talk" to each other on stage. Then Otiel, who also has a quick ear and is very good at in the moment playing (as apposed to the great Alphonso Johnson for example, who IMO like many top quality players could never find their way in the open GD style) fits in with what Mayer & Chementi are doing.

And then Bob, who has been in a real good place since Fare Thee Well and has just a bit of experience & skill at musical conversation, gets right into the mix far more often than in the past when he would be killing cats on stage. 

The drumming? At his age Billy isn't nearly the player he once was, but he still keeps up and he'll always have that one-of-a-kind stream of consciousness style, and Mickey doesn't WHAP away with mallets anymore, he just piddles along with those weird brushes and so he really isn't involved in the sound much at all. It's not great, but it's still Billy K. and he still does his thing well enough.

I've seen them 11 or 12 times, and generally it has been my experience that the 1st sets are often not particularly interesting, with some exceptions, but that when they dig in during the 2nd sets they can often find some really good musical spaces, and it has worked for me much more often than not. Including the 2nd night at Shoreline this past June, when I seem to remember seeing you treeflo in the box in front of me. I thought that whole 2nd set was really good.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan, I won't go out of my way or pay much if anything to see them, and if Phil is playing with just about anyone I'm there instead of D$C, I'm just saying that compared to the other bands mentioned at the top of this windy dissertation D$C is "better".

And I find it interesting that after 20+ years of Bob playing some of the songs at a slower tempo people still seem so surprised and carry on so much about it. He's been playing those songs at those tempos for over 20 years people, deal with it, or at least quit endlessly whining about it.

I think it's kind of funny that so many dead heads have such an impossible time dealing with that. I may be generalizing here, but traditionally most dead heads have embraced the idea that the Grateful Dead didn't do things the same way all the time, that they played in the moment and things weren't always exactly the same, but so many of those same folks rage on & on about how Weir doesn't play the songs at the "proper tempo".

I've dealt with the same issues because I too have my predetermined, preset ideas of the way it's "supposed to be", but to me it's a challenge to try and drop my expectations of what I want it to be or for it to be done the right way and just try to listen to what they're playing in that moment. That works sometimes better for me than other times, but I figure it's Bob's show and he has his reasons, and I've been really surprised how often I've found & enjoyed the slower groove the songs and players are in.

So there.

this 2012 group was good

not like this but.....

Chementi was the star on 12/30, and i respect that Meyer appreciates the music, the history, and the honor bestowed on him being in this space

Tom hit the nail on the head as always.

And I find it interesting that after 20+ years of Bob playing some of the songs at a slower tempo people still seem so surprised and carry on so much about it. He's been playing those songs at those tempos for over 20 years people, deal with it, or at least quit endlessly whining about it.

All I have to say to say is 1976 when Jerry played everything at half speed....it isn't easy to play slow and keep it that way, and meantime the band fills all the spaces. This band his vision and they stick to it. The Q peaked at Red Rocks in August of 2002, after that they've been dull as dishwater. I love Phil and he is great with Stu in the Grate Room, but that band can't do what these guys do.

 I love you woz 

but.....

 bob is  slower and  tempos are slower and expectations are lower 

you may have be engaged since the 70s   ok

Your opinion is you opinion and therefore valid  

And good for you that you enjoy it as much "as you " say you do .  

This shouldn't be a political thread and I can't tell you that you are wrong

don't try to convince the Democrats that trump and dead co is cool 

have a great vacation  

see you at the clubhouse some day 

>>>don't try to convince the Democrats that trump and dead co is cool<<<

Hey man, treeflo asked.

Woz consistently shares his very positive opinion and love for that band (fluffer: devotee : cool aid drinker)

it don't matter tree glow asking

not  all agree, and your mileage may vary 

IMNSHO they ain't all that

go Niners and Wyane shorter!!

(fluffer: devotee : cool aid drinker: experienced/educated opinion)

Finished that for you.

And really man, diminishing his opinion because you disagree with it?

How political.

Whatever

I was there!  Just that night... my first D&C show.  It wasn't my thing at all.  I found the slow "letting the notes linger" thing to be really halting.  I'm a little biased but I also found it way over crowded and not the awesome vibe it had at the other place. I was rocking innie but had I paid for that, not sure I'd be happy.  That being said.. it was all smiling faces and people seemed to love it so who am I to judge.  I will say the Dark Star>estimated>eyes was pretty ok and it had been a while since I got a good drums so it wasn't all bad.  
celebrity sightings everywhere, I was standing dangerously close to George RR Martin for a while and it took everything I had not to shake him down for the next book!!  

"...dangerously close to George RR Martin for a while..."

So it's really true ? Rumours of the Beatle manager's death are unfounded ??
I always suspected he faked his own death to pursue other projects.

I have fun at the shows and I get a kick out of posting glowing reviews here because the tone of this board is overwhelmingly negative about D&C so I try and balance it out.....but I do love the band!

Yes I did ask....
Thankyou Tom for your carefully thought out, thorough response.
I can see your points and I won't argue.
I enjoy your perspective and analysis.

I was at Shoreline both nites and i had a great time, all in all.

It was cool, as always, to see you, and lots of other phriends, there and that is part of what makes Shoreline fun.

See y'all in SF or at the club house soon.

Right on woz!

lets get overwhelming positive. I like that

for  many it is just much easier to be negative, as I am when it comes to politics threads and the great divide (s)

phriends  n pholks and the blessings, and a shared passion 

pheace

Oh ya,   Love you ball girl, it's nice to hear you dropping in