My Thoughts on the 2nd Failed Coup Attempt

Another annoying delusional thread by you, that I usually stay away from, but you make this too easy. I'll take a stab at your faulty premise, and then leave as your arguments are nonsensical and I'm not going to waste too much time on this. There's no convincing you of anything different than what you want to believe and your theories are off the charts.

The transcript is NOT a transcript, but a summary of the call composed by the cronies of the person who broke the law by making the call. In fact, testimony today indicated an NSC staff member unsuccessfully attempted to have that transcript amended to more properly reflect the conversation. 

Nobody' s looking to overturn "the will of the people in a prior election". First off, the "will of the people" was the other candidate, by a few million votes.  

Second, the horse is out of the barn on that as we're almost 3 years into a 4 year term. So this supposed purpose of the investigations is ridiculous 

And it's not a coup, just an effort to uphold the constitution and the separation of powers. There was credible evidence the President broke the law and Congress is attempting to do it's constitutional duty to investigate and prosecute if necessary. First private investigations by committees, and then public hearings for all to see. They would be derelict in their duties if they didn't. 

It's amazing to see people not concerned about a President brokering our foreign policy (and domestic for that matter) for personal gain, when a blow job in a closet of the Oval Office and the subsequent untruthful denials and perjury warranted an impeachment trial. And to submit an opinion "the 2020 election has just been decided" 12 months before the event is downright strange. 

That said, personally, I hope the current occupant is the candidate in 2020 as I think the Democratic candidate will have a better chance if he is.       

Take care. 

John Brennan on Maddow now!! Vinman cooked your boy Trump's goose today, brynny. Hahahahaha

Romney vs Warren 2020

Neither pardons Trump if they win!

Chappaquiddick Republicans always driving the car off the road. 

But the debt...

But Bengazi...

But HRC emails...

What if Obama ignored the house and senate for over a year?

Rudy Guliani is the president's personal attorney!!!!! Hahahahaha

Bryen's friends called a war hero with a purple heart un-American today.

Bless your heart, Bryen.

Keep trying to convince yourself.

Work it out, buddy.

The House will impeach. The Senate won't remove. Trump will win in 2020, but not by a landslide.

Partisan politics will continue to trump (no pun intended) the Constitution, and the piece of shit douchebag will spend the next 4 years turning us into a mockery.

B-ry wins.

Ok Boomer.

2020 I have faith amerika wakes up and clump goes down in a historic fashion fiery crash n burn . If not he will be resigning to avoid the embarrassment of being removed after the Dems take 60 Senate seats.

Hahaaaaa young bry, head so far up his ass, he's gotta be a roger ailes love child - I feel a bit of sympathy for ailes widow, still paying off rogers sexual deviance law suits. How much $$ yer mom get bry ?

Okay Guy.

^^^^ not if bernie wins the primary. 

we get a 2nd chance to run bernie, the real populist, against the fake one that mostly everyone hates. thing is, people hate establishment dems/corporate politicians just as much -- so trump wins against a biden or warren or buttigege lol. 

Can we get a clarification on the definition of a 'coup' from Bryen first?  Though I agree that there should be an actual coup I'm pretty sure scholars like Bryen don't even understand what the word means. 

There's not a doubt in my mind that if he is not removed from office Trump will win 2020.  I guess we still haven't woken up to the reality of 'never Hillary!'.  Be careful what you wish for....

***there is no scenario that you can dream of that this country will elect Bernie Sanders.  In some ways I hope he wins the primary, as I'm not a Bernie hater, just to see him get his ass handed to him in the general election. Would that shut up the Bernie Bros?  Probably not but it would sure clear some of the made up mystique of the 2016 election. 

^lol another centrist who prefers trump over moving the country forwards. sad. 

^You're still a sanctimonious prick.

Pathetic. 

Conservatives outnumber liberals. Get out of your progressive bubble. 

Bryen, if your posts represent what most Fox viewers truly believe, that's just...........sad.   

lumber you in a bad mood this morning? 

centrists holding back the country is pathetic. hoping bernie gets elected only to get beat by trump is beyond pathetic, some may say.....russia! 

independents out number dems and republicans. get out of your msm bubble. this is about moving forward, please don't hold us back. 

blah blah blah "overturn the will of the people in a prior election" .... blah blah blah .... "duly elected" blah blah blah

^ Look how angry and hate-filled I am ... does my "tone" disqualify everything I have to say?

How does the Constitution not explicitly enumerate a mechanism to "overturn the will of the people in a prior election"?

For that matter, as someone who voted for Gary Johnson, I find your rationale appalling at best.

Just remember, I don't hate you and will take no pleasure in doing WHATEVER it takes to mitigate the thuggery you are enabling from overtaking the nation.

Having said that, I believe you are a coward with blood on your hands.  This is not hate-filled, but a simple observation.

Namaste

I live in a place called reality. I get it that for some Bernie was the first time that they paid attention to politics & are wide eyed. Unfortunately there’s a place called the real world. Again, I like Bernie, I just know that he has no chance. I’m an independent but I’m registering as a Democrat so that I can vote in CT primary

the future of our country, the youth, have chosen bernie, overwhelmingly. 

i swear some people haven't been paying attention the last 4 years. amazing. 

you say you know bernie has no chance, yet all the facts point to the opposite : only candidate w/ more donations than trump, has the most cash on hand, is leading or in top three nationwide, up 3 in NH (most recent poll), fastest candidate ever to reach million individual donations. the movement is behind bernie sanders. this is obvious. 

it's funny, b/c bernie has the best chance in 2020. 

Ironically, many Bernie supporters are elitists who are completely out of touch with reality and the American population.

you mean warren? 

the working class supports bernie -- that's his base. which is why he will win. 

more teachers have donated to bernie than any other profession. 

i guess they're out of touch with reality? 

Not in a bad mood, just some objective reality  

An overwhelming majority of independents (81%) continue to “lean” toward either the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. Among the public overall, 17% are Democratic-leaning independents, while 13% lean toward the Republican Party. Just 7% of Americans decline to lean toward a party, a share that has changed little in recent years. This is a long-standing dynamic that has been the subject of past analyses, both by Pew Research Center and others.

https://www.people-press.org/2019/03/14/political-independents-who-they-...

Conservatives and conservative leaning independents still outnumber liberals and liberal leaning independents. 

Americans' assessment of their political ideology was unchanged in 2018 compared with the year prior when 35% on average described themselves as conservative, 35% as moderate and 26% as liberal. Although conservatives continue to outnumber liberals, the gap in conservatives' favor has narrowed from 19 percentage points in Gallup's 1992 baseline measurement to nine points each of the past two years.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245813/leans-conservative-liberals-keep-rec...

Centrists holding back the country?

So if people disagree with you regarding Sanders, they are holding the country back.

Got it. You're a sanctimonious prick. 

voting corporate dem is holding back the country, mother fucker. 

bernie gets the conservative leaning independent vote in states like michigan, ohio, wisconsin, pa, etc. 

an establishment dem doesn't -- and we saw that in 2016. you want to repeat that? why? 

It's ok if the Supreme Court is more conservative. 

Now you seem angry, Pyramid. 

I understand, objective reality is not always palatable. 

>bernie gets the conservative leaning independent vote in states like michigan, ohio, wisconsin, pa,<

It's funny that you believe that.

Keep swinging.

im not angry at all -- you came throwing names around, buddy. which is typical, usually starts w/ you and co.  

why would average americans support a candidate that the billionaire class supports -- elizabeth warren. 

they don't support bernie. do you really hate him that much that you can't support his policies that are meant the help working class americans? what's he say? are you willing to fight for somebody you don't know? i always thought people like us did. help people you don't know. 

bernies by far the most popular and has the most momentum. are we watching diff worlds? 

I would agree that the same old, same old is holding the nation back, but I don't agree that the change has to be on the federal level. It needs to start locally, which is t happening in most places, for it to become real and lasting at the federal level.

^ i agree that local elections are essential to changing the path we're on. 

The will of the people was decided in 2018 not 2016

Democratic House candidates won 58,990,609 votes while their Republican counterparts pulled in 50,304,975. That means that, so far, Democrats won 53.1 percent of all votes counted while Republicans earned 45.2 percent.

Democrats currently hold a 234 to 199 edge over Republicans in the incoming House, which will start in January,

Pyramid, you stated that centrist would rather vote for Trump than vote for Sanders.  

Therefore, those who disagree with you regarding Sanders would rather have Trump.

This is why I referred to you as a sanctimonious prick. 

>why would average americans support a candidate that the billionaire class supports<

Happens every election. 

Why do you assume I hate Sanders? Why do you assume that I don't support his policies?

I don't believe he can win in the general election. 

I think that if Sanders is the nominee he will be painted as the second coming of Vladimir Lenin, and a majority voters will buy it. 

My real concern is the Federal Judiciary, specifically The Supreme Court 

yes, did you see what jonas posted, lumber? 

look, the centrists are fighting their hardest to defeat sanders and warren to some extent -- but it is becoming painfully obvious biden is going down. 

i don't know who you support -- why don't you tell us? 

<<<>>>>Happens every election. 

exactly! hahahaha. and nothing changes. not this time. 

<<<>>> i don't believe he can win in the general 

ok. he's the only one that crushes trump is the stupid polls, but that's your opinion. cool man. 

like if you refuse to notice what's happening, in terms of the movement bernie has built the last 4 years, speaking to everybody, not just dems lol, then that's unfortunate for you. but it is palpable, and people are ready to vote for the only mother fucker that'll stand up for us. 

aright i gotta go to work. 

vote bernie! bwahaha!!

please bryen, this is nothing more than a stone cold troll thread. you do not want dialogue when you spout nonsensical right-wing rhetoric.

so disappointing to see people on the same side undermine their own interests. 

what do you think about the coup of the kennedy assassination?

that is when and where our country took an immediate right turn off the cliff.

>did you see what jonas posted, lumber<

Yep, such a reaction it predictable when you insist that those who don't support Sanders would rather have Trump

>don't know who you support -- why don't you tell us?<

I'll support the Democratic nominee.  My state's primary isn't until June.

i said trump beats the establishment dem. 

jonas posted

<<<>>>there is no scenario that you can dream of that this country will elect Bernie Sanders.  In some ways I hope he wins the primary, as I'm not a Bernie hater, just to see him get his ass handed to him in the general election. Would that shut up the Bernie Bros?  Probably not but it would sure clear some of the made up mystique of the 2016 election. 

and i posted 

<<<>>>^lol another centrist who prefers trump over moving the country forwards. sad. 

i was responding to his nonsense, not the other way around. 

<<<>>>I'll support the Democratic nominee.  My state's primary isn't until June.

so you don't know who you support? 

>> So you're on record saying there's no conflict of interest in regards to the witness?  Really?  He doesn't have a dog in that race?  No agenda? <<

The truth?

Byren I have a question for you:

Were the Nixon and Clinton impeachments attempted coups?

Are you self-aware enough to see your own idiocy?

Unlike the ‘never Hillary’ crowd I’ve never said ‘never Bernie’.  I supported him in the 16 primary. Coming from the north east I actually expected worse from Trump. Instead of believing 4chan bullshit the so called progressives should have put ever effort into electing Hillary with the hopes of a more progressive candidate the next time around. Instead we’re left with 8 years of Trump driving this country into the ground.  Learn to take the temp of our country - you’re not even close. You didn’t FEEL the temp after 8 years of a black man holding office?  If you didn’t than you live in a bubble - just like the elitist bubble that you know exists. 

And I’m still waiting for Bryen to learn the definition of a coup.  But yes, I agree, there should be a coup. Trump should be hanging in the town square. 

>>>>Russia Scam<<<< this is the problem with Trump supporters, they actually believe this. Anyone who believes the Russia connection is a scam a hoax or a witch-hunt has their head in the sand. 

Facts 

putin assisted trump in winning 

Trumps team pushed for and succeeded in removing sanctions on Russia from the GOP platform ( a victory before the election for Putin) 

Trump’s language parrots Putin’s ( you really think that’s a coincidence

Trump has handed the Middle East and Ukraine to Putin Clinton was making headway on both fronts 

The rest is right there for everyone to see this guy works for Putin lock stock and Barrel 

funny b/c i think your temp is way off base. where's that leave us? 

the temp after obama was people were sick are tired of corporate rule. which is why we are left w/ trump from trump vs hrc. you think a centrist gets us out of this mess? they got us into this mess. that leaves us w/  2 trump terms. 

Pyramid,  i know what Jonas posted. For weeks you have been tossing around that if don't support Sanders you want Trump nonsense.

Nope. I'm not  thrilled about any of the candidates. 

Funny how someone would ask for a respectful and civil discussion, yet the thread title is ridiculously disrespectful. Considering that 99.9% of thinking-people would laugh at the notion that a coup is taking place, I feel that calling it a coup is a very disrespectful stance towards those who think differently. Maybe just referring to the current situation rather than calling it a coup would show the space in which there could potentially be respect for others' ideas.

And then first at 9:43 Bryen calls for a respectful and civil discussion. At 12:52 he refuses to read someone's reply to his thread. By 12:57 he's calling others' ideas 'malarkey'. Basically, Bryen, you're a stupid asshole who is incapable of critical thinking or evaluating evidence. It's clear that your paranoia and mental health issues have you really invested in some heavy duty conspiratorial thinking and that without major therapeutic intervention you'll never get out of that headspace. So, you have shown yourself to be totally incapable of civil or respectful discourse, because, well, you're not playing with a full deck of cards. In other words, fuck off and get lost.

>funny b/c i think your temp is way off base. where's that leave us?

It leaves me with knowing that you can't take a temp.  You're using one of the new fashioned heat strips --- if you really want the temp I suggest an old fashion Vaseline coated probe that comes out dirty.  You really think that reaction to 8 years of Obama was that people are sick and tired of corporate rule?  Hillary was at the least a baby step and at the worst a stagnation towards your utopia yet instead we're miles back. 

I think the comment about the temp after Obama was that it was kind of obvious there was going to be a massive populist backlash against the first black president from a significant part of the population. Had the democratic party taken the temp accurately, they would have realized that there was a populist fervour happening at the moment and that voters weren't going to be easily persuaded by a run of the mill corporate candidate, much less a woman. The dems should have run either an old white male or somebody who could rile up the populist feeling. Bernie met both those criteria, Hillary neither. I'm not being sexist - I have no issue with women or men or black or white or straight or whatever as a politician. I'm just saying that it was kind of obvious that a corporatist woman dem was obviously not going to win. 

What Javs said.

>it was kind of obvious that a corporatist woman dem was obviously not going to win. <

especially her. look the fox mouth breathers had been frothing and stewing about her for YEARS already. wtf did they think was gonna happen?

Funny how someone would ask for a respectful and civil discussion, yet the thread title is ridiculously disrespectful. <<

That's been this scumbag's shtick since Day 1.

Ignore him and let him post to himself.

correct. and even more so now in 2020 is the populist fervor present. just look at the campaign bernie is running -- the movement is alive and breathing. screaming for change. 

bernie is the man to defeat the status quo, that both sides represent. if you don't support him, fine. but his policy is to take the country forward, not back or stay still, like what the republicans are doing and the establishment dems have done. they lost the peoples' trust. bernie is by far the most trusted politician. says a lot. not just dems, everybody.

 to say hrc was a step forward is lying to yourself. 

and lumber. that's in response to people like you saying if you don't vote dem no matter what you vote trump, or if you didn't vote hrc in 2016 you voted trump. pure nonsense my man. 

and you're not thrilled about any of the candidates? jesus man. you only had 30 to pick from. lol. hrc more your speed? 

^There you go being a sanctimonious prick again. 

>voters weren't going to be easily persuaded by a run of the mill corporate candidate

Voters that didnt want a black man sure as fuck didnt want a woman spoiling their fun.  You're giving way to much credit to the populace.  Nothing to do with 'corporate candidate'.  Do you think a grassroots candidate could be president?   Here's how Obama happened --- the GOP gave it away by attaching Palin to McCain -- the dems thought it was a novel idea to throw up Obama and happily walked into that situation. 

> to say hrc was a step forward is lying to yourself. 

As I said -- at worst a stagnation.  

A coup d'état, also known by its German name putsch, or simply as a coup, is the overthrow of an existing government by non-democratic means; typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a dictator, the military, or a political faction

so it's none of those things.

keep supporting the kremlin though.

cheers!

lumber, i'm asking? you can't answer, whatever. 

how many more decades shall we stagnate? 

troll thread 

You  asked,  I answered, Pyramid. You don't have to agree with me. But keep being a jakeass, I'm sure you think it is persuasive. 

No, I am not sold on any of the Democrats running.  Doesn't matter though, I'm voting for the Democratic nominee,  even if that is you.

I'm concerned about the Federal Judiciary. 

I don’t watch Maddow or any other news heads. Using ‘narrative’ is akin to saying ‘where’s the beef?’ 

If the choice is between stagnation and going backwards there is an obvious choice.  Own it, painting Hillary as a demon hasn’t worked out for anyone but the ultra rich. More power to you if you fall into that category. 

The world at large isn’t some sort ‘you have to hit rock bottom before you rise up!’ platitude. We fucked up and now we’re going to pay for it. 

What do people think that President Sanders would do, snap his fingers and make everything better?

I think that there'd be such a big pushback to his "Socialism" that he'd get fewer progressive initiatives passed than most of the others would. Ironic, sure, but probably true.

Im also weary of the "it's what the people want" argument? What people? The 42% who didn't vote last time? 
 

I also don't see all of "the people" in middle America, the ones who are under-educated, or God fearing, or working stiffs, all those people who live in red counties and states, voting Progressive. It would be in their best interest, but they don't know that.

Plus, an old, Jewish Socialist from NY is a really hard sell.

oh we're paying for it. 

we can try to fix it tho. or not. 

it's not just these past few years or even 20 years. 

lumber why are you voting dem at all? 

why not stand for something? nobody running represents what you stand for? did HRC? 

^^ lmao lotta doorknob fuckin' going on today.

Can the list stand 12 more months of this ?

>lumber why are you voting dem at all?<

I've been very clear,  i am concerned about the Federal Judiciary,  specifically the Supreme Court.  

If I could perhaps create an amalgam from several of the candidates.  But again, I am concerned about the Federal Judiciary, specifically the Supreme Court (in case you missed it)

Trump has the potential to fill 2 more Supreme Court seats in his next term. If he does, we are totally fucked for at least 30 more years. As the nation becomes more liberal, the SC will be completely out of touch with the populace.

Failed???

coup??

lo fucking l

Are the words fuck you 

Or you are a stooge / fool or condescending ass, or go to hell civil?

and I will never read you posts or threads so there is that

so have the life you deserve 

stay tuned comrade

ciao

If I could wave a magic wand, Oprah would show up at the 11th hour and save us all. 

>>If I could wave a magic wand, Oprah would show up at the 11th hour and save us all. 
 

Yep, because none of these putzes have a chance against Trump. Sad, but true.

if it's so concerning to you, shouldn't you have an idea of who you support to make such important decisions going forward?

who did you support in the 2o16 primary? jersey right? HRC guy? 

>if it's so concerning to you, shouldn't you have an idea of who you support to make such important decisions going forward<

Why is it difficult for you to believe that I am not excited about any of the democratic candidates? 

>who did you support in the 2o16 primary? jersey right? HRC guy<

Sanders in the primary and the Clinton (Merrick Garland) in the general. 

Why are you so desperate to label me as a Biden/Clinton supporter? 

Pyramid, do you have even a basic understanding of how our political system works? 

>>>>>why not stand for something? nobody running represents what you stand for?

No, nobody who is running represents exactly what I think, but that's OK. Nobody cares what I think. That's not what an election is - it's a job interview. The idea is not to let the world know who your ideal candidate is, but to decide which of the available options has a chance to win and will do the least damage.

exactly? that's rare i would think. 

^thats not how i approach it, and is exactly was has lead us into this mess.  i'm voting for the person that i think will drastically change the system as we know it. there's one. it's bernie sanders as we all know. 

im not voting for the lesser of two evils. that shit is long gone. 

cool, lumber. i'm just busting on you like you have me? weird steve will call me the troll, but i think it goes both ways. 

how come you supported bernie in 2016 and not now? he's running a much better campaign, and is actually going to win it this time (i pknow you don't believe that but did in 2016?)

corporate dems are scared, you even have US senator from WV saying he won't vote sanders in the general. lol! talk about not representing your constituents. bernie won the pop vote by 40k in WV in 2016. 

i know, bernie is asking americans to do something that most maybe never think about? 

fight for somebody you don't know. 

how can you be against providing all americans w/ healthcare? b/c it's expensive? 

this isn't your typical presidential campaign. 

No, Pyramid,  I didn't believe Sanders could win in 2016, and I don't believe he can win in 2020 

Additionally, there is a widely held belief that the Supreme Court might be willing to overturn RoeVWade.  Given that, I feel that much of the progressive agenda is unlikely to pass through Congress and less likely to be upheld by the current Supreme Court. 

fair enough man. 

if nothing changes for the billionaire class, nothing changes for us. 

What exactly would President Sanders do to change the billionaire class that most of the others wouldn't?

What are the real reforms that he'd get passed into law, that none of the others would?

>but to decide which of the available options has a chance to win and will do the least damage.

You just defined Hillary Clinton.   

We just handed the 'billionaire class' more billions because some were holding onto a confused idea of how the world actually works.  

I know I can't change white to black but maybe somehow I can manage to live with gray. 

>>how can you be against providing all americans w/ healthcare? b/c it's expensive? 

This is where you're totally out of touch with what's going on. There are many people, rich and poor, who see universal health as an entitlement, not a right. They don't believe in government entitlements, nor will they accept them. It's fucked up, and that way of thinking needs to change before universal health becomes a viable option.

^wrong. most democrats and independents support m4a. 

bk, have you not been paying attention? all the answers you seek are available on bernie's site. 

i don't have the time right now to post that massive answer. the distinctions are drastic man. 

im not running away, i just have to work. 

jonas, constantly electing neoliberals is a vote for the billionaire class. 

that's what we are trying to change, get it? i know you think it's impossible, but the working class movement bernie built is showing that it is possible.  

Yeah, you take the ones who don't and combine them with the Repubs who don't, and it's no longer an overwhelming majority, if one at all.

And let's face it, they aren't getting off their asses to vote anyway.

Look man, I'm all for the Bernie agenda. I guess I see the path to it, at the federal level, different than you. It has to start locally because that's where the real education happens. 

i feel you man. 

ill see you guys later. 

Troll thread. 

You claim you want to have a healthy discussion but your diction in the subject of thread begs to differ.  

Ok so now this has shifted to healthcare. While I am for providing healthcare for all Americans making private healthcare illegal is communist bullshit. Let’s just imagine the concept in another industry like food . Private food production is made illegal, you can no longer buy your own food, so you won’t have to spend money on food but your taxes are going to go up by 10k a year and you have to eat whatever the government gives you whenever they give it to you. Sounds fucking nuts no that’s what Bernie and warren want to do with healthcare. BTW let’s all remember Clinton’s impeachment started with a shady real estate deal and ended with a consensual sex scandal. I’m sure Trump has done both and more 

>making private healthcare illegal is communist bullshit.<

don't think anyone is saying that. you can buy additional custie protection from the private industry grifters still. this is about giving ALL americans the very first basic level of coverage.

^^^ that’s what I thought in 2016 that’s why I supported Bernie then... But Both Bernie and Warren have stated under their plan private health insurance would be illegal 

right now I have a choice through work of 2 private plans or the state plan.. I choose the state plan it costs 11k a year for my wife and me. Bernie’s plan would probably cost me more and I would have no choice 

Here's how you fuck up an already fucked up, criminal industry ---- involve the federal government.  Then it becomes 100x more corrupt and 10000x less efficient.

The Obama admin, led by Pelosi, screwed the pooch with the AHCA.  Great concept, horrid execution.

If you think that our fed gov't can provide, fund and administer medicare for all I suggest that you change your strain.    

^ in total and absolute agreement with this

how come other govts. don't have a problem doing so?

so, by this logic.....social security is a complete shit show and doesn't work. right, got it.

i mean i am a fucking pessimist by nature, but fuck....y'all's strains are clouding your minds.

if you need further examples of corporate ineptitude and corruption, see "california wild fires and pg&e"....

maybe we should also have a corporate military?

right fellas!?

oooo, baaaad govt.....spooky scary for halloween!!!

good job parroting the narrative that THEY want.

Impeachment would be nice, defeat in 2020 would be great, but I'd love to see someone blow Trump's head off with a shotgun.

decent odds Pyramid and Bryen are the same person's socks.

What do you think, Thom?

>>I'd love to see someone blow Trump's head off with a shotgu

I hate the guy as much as the next but THIS would turn Trump into a martyr of sorts and take this whole thing to another level.

^def. 

weird steve is a mess. as usual. 

It's seems very simple, I would like to see Trump's molecules rearranged (like via LSD or something that would work as well).

Evil fucker.

Turtle we do. They used to call it black water but they just changed the name. Private security / cops that aren’t cops is getting bigger too. 

>>>>>to see someone blow Trump's head off with a shotgun.

Hoping for Pence or Melanoma.

>But Both Bernie and Warren have stated under their plan private health insurance would be illegal <

This is a losing issue.  IMO

Approximately 49% on Americans have employer provided health insurance. You're telling these people that their health insurance will be taken away, their taxes will be raised,  and they will be enrolled in Medicare. 

I can't see how these people will be convinced to vote for it.

Billy Ray Valentine:
You know, you can't just go around and shoot people in the kneecaps with a double-barrelled shotgun because you're pissed at them.

Louis Winthorpe III:
Why not?

Billy Ray Valentine:
Because it's called assault with a deadly weapon, you get twenty years for that shit.

Louis Winthorpe III:
Listen, do you have any better ideas?

Billy Ray Valentine:
Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way to hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people.

<< and they will be enrolled in Medicare.  I can't see how these people will be convinced to vote for it. >>

It's not always easy to wrap your head around a new concept (only new to the US), but time and society progresses rapidly, imagine being born the first generation with prenatal to grave healthcare, cuz we all know it will happen . Imagine

^I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. Tell the UAW member that the health care they fought and sacrificed for will be taken from them( that's the way it will be framed) and instead they get Medicare and a tax increase. 

the UAW is behind bernie. saying your insurance will be taken away is a msm talking point. sad. taxes go up but overall you save money overall -- you save money -- you save money -- you save money -- b/c our current health insurance costs the most in the world. right now. lol. 

so it'll be replaced w/ medicare 4 all. not stolen and left for dead -- as you and the msm and biden etc make it seem. 

you make it seem like employer health insurance is the best thing ever. not the case. employers can change the policy whenever they like. 

I'm not convinced of any numbers I'm hearing from any side as far as Medicare for all. I don't believe Warren, I don't believe any repub. In my mind I see it happening Uncle Bernie's way,  with consolidation streamline of the insurance industry (let the fuckers focus on the business they wrote before meddling in our healthcare) and a soaking, no super soaking of the rich, both of which I have no problem with. You know its gonna happen, right ?  Why not now ?

UAW supported Hillary, they ain't goin nowhere.

Uncle Bernie's Farm
https://youtu.be/a_ZHPrWD4IE

Pyramid, you keep with that msm talking point nonsense.

It will be framed as the government taking your health insurance away, and raising your taxes for the privilege of enrolling in a government controlled healthcare program. 

UAW leadership's pov does not always reflect the pov of it's members. 

Furthermore, it is not just the UAW, it is approximately 49% of the country who receive employer provided health insurance

the msm media talking nonsensical talking points and the media blackout is all real whether you want to accept that or not. 

excellent. and the majority of the country is in favor of m4a and a green new deal. this isn't dem vs republican vs progressive whatever. 

just americans wanting honest health coverage, and security. it's what will get bernie elected. 

No Obama = No UAW 

Brother O and the dems saved the entire US auto industry, they ain't forgetting. 

As far as the other 49% its all socialized medicine now - you have to go to the doc or hospital in your particular plan, which changes sometimes yearly, a huge hassle --   so the transition will be more seamless than you think. People are ready for this change my brothers and sisters. Socialism, its been here for a while and its here to stay. Just help spread the word.

obama isn't runnning and bernie is the union candidate -- they know this. 

obama probably kicked some of their brothers out of their homes too. 

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they're actually republican talking points as well. 

take your insurance away (left for dead!)

taxes go up (w/o explaining the full point). 

govt healthcare will be terrible (it's soooo good right now! lol) 

it'll become way complicated and expensive (it's so easy to use atm and is the most expensive anywhere!) 

>how come other govts. don't have a problem doing so?

We're not other gov'ts.  We're not other countries.  Land mass, density of population, regional income differentials.....it's a little more complicated than 'other countries do it why can't we?'

Real easy:  How would medicare for all be funded? Not -- 'we'll take this and we'll do that.'.. Very simply, how can we fund Medicare for all?     If it's increasing my premium because I make over $50,000 a year, and my current insurance costs $24,000 a year, go bury your head some more in la la land.  And before anyone says 'you wont have a premium' think again. 

^that's right,  wrap it in a big scary blanket of Socialism and scare the hell out of folks. 

I have some questions, Pyramid...

How will private health insurance be eliminated?

When people say private health insurance will be "illegal," does that mean it will be criminalized? 

Will Medicare be expanded to cover 100% of costs?

Or will you still need supplemental insurance?

y'all swallowed that pill hard. 

not willing to fight for somebody you don't know, huh? 

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/medicare-for-all-2019-financing?...

the only la la land bs is fighting for the billionaire class when they don't give a fuck about you and pushing corporate talking points. 

healthcare is a human right. 

I skimmed that quickly, Pyramid,  didn't see answers to my questions.

>y'all swallowed that pill hard. 

not willing to fight for somebody you don't know, huh?<

Cool, keep attacking.

Just wait until the general election campaign and the evil, Socialist, Radical left comes to take away your health care, nonsense starts. Already seeing it in Jersey. That radical left Democrat, Andy Kim, is trying to impose government control of healthcare with HR3.

p-heater seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday tossing out lots of "that's fair enough" this and "i feel you man"  that.

That moment has passed.....back to your regularly scheduled condescension....

My employer kicks in $12k a year for my insurance. If they gave the same amount to an M4A pool, or they just gave it to me to offset higher taxes, all good by me. Even better if it significantly lowers copays, deductibles and out of pocket expenses.

I don't think a shift to M4A could happen gradually. The insurance companies would constantly be fighting it, and they have too much power. I just don't see it happening quickly though.

^< healthcare is a human right>

yes it is

I think even a few rich folk agree.  Some mega wealthy have no problem paying more taxes. They have a conscience and believe it's an investment for the common good of the country. As all wealthy should think.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/bridgewaters-ray-dalio-of-course-rich-pe...

Tax the rich: Millionaires' tax popular among public - CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/millionaire-and-billionaire-taxes-an-idea-w...

>the only la la land bs is fighting for the billionaire class when they don't give a fuck about you and pushing corporate talking points. 

healthcare is a human right. 

I have no corporate talking points. I have reality and more than a basic understanding of how all of this works. Is it right to think that anyone can change the world, yes.. should we all strive for a better world, yes.... Are your thoughts on the current socio political climate remotely realistic --- no. 

<...but I'd love to see someone blow Trump's head off with a shotgun.>

Sure, this may satisfy your bloodlust and appeal to your lower nature, but besides that, this will only exacerbate the problems in our country, no?

No, I don't think so. Trump is a clear and present danger to the country and the world.

Wannabe dictators should go out like dictators.

Say . . . Gadaffi?

bernie beats trump b/c some of his strongest support is in the rust belt. the red states. 

he's the most electable and the only candidate that can beat trump. 

this is realistic, jonas. sorry you dont understand that. 

 making up the false narrative that people will feel they're getting their lives ripped apart by the fed is absurd and a republican talking point. evil radical left? have you been reading too many trump tweets? lol. 

m4a is what the country needs and wants. 

btw bernie is surging and the msm blackout continues. 

>making up the false narrative that people will feel they're getting their lives ripped apart by the fed is absurd and a republican talking point. evil radical left? have you been reading too many trump tweets<

No, I have been watching the political ads.

You can label it absurd, but this is just the beginning.

warren has issues in michigan pennsy and wisc. -- which we need to win to defeat trump.   

But Joe still ahead of Bernie.

73% of 30 and under in michigan support sanders. bernie crushed michigan in 2016 remember. 

the future generation has chosen bernie. this is obvious. bernie is the best candidate to beat trump. we're gonna win. 

^^biden is fading incredibly fast -- dude is done imo. unless the dnc pull some shit which is entirely possible (and 100% gives trump another term). 

look at nevada:

where lumber, on facebook? haha. 

^No, jackass, on television.  Election day is Tuesday November 5

wait. so it is facebook you're watching! damn that zuckerberg. 

Can't help but be a condescending prick, eh?

Since you seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension... 

Television,  I've seen these ads on the television. Election day is Tuesday November 5.

isn't election day the 3rd of november? jeez man, relax. 

^sure, in 2020.

In Jersey, we have an election on Tuesday November 5, 2019...political ads are in heavy rotation. 

>>73% of 30 and under in michigan support sanders. bernie crushed michigan in 2016 remember. 

the future generation has chosen bernie. this is obvious. bernie is the best candidate to beat trump. we're gonna win. 

 

Yeah, and 75% of that 73% won't get off their assets to vote. A whole chunk of them who do vote, and say they support Bernie, will vote for Trump in the general.

It would be great if Bernie can mobilize that demo to vote. When push comes to shove, I don't see it happening.

idk, 2008 obama whipped up that youth vote the carry him to the presidency. 

<<<>>>A whole chunk of them who do vote, and say they support Bernie, will vote for Trump in the general.

whys that? 

Polling data from 2016 showed that weird disparity, in that although Hillary "should have" won by a landslide of the popular vote, she didn't. Although people wouldn't admit it ahead of time, they ended up voting for Trump.

Less than 50% of registered voters under 30 showed last time. 37% of them voted Trump.

Any Dem will have to pull out over 62% to win. I think that if they hit that #, it's a slam dunk. I just don't see Bernie doing it in the same way Obama did. I do t see any of them doing it.