Democratic Debates - Round 4

SNL from last Saturday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNjZHZ7kpM0

My daughter attends Otterbein University where tonight's debate will be held. She was unable to secure a ticket to the event. 

bernie coming out swinging tonight. 

tulsi will be a great addition in helping call out the establishment/corporate backed dems. 

and lol at steyer being on stage. that's what's wrong w/ this shit. 

An inconsequential waste of time.  Jim Geraghty has a good summation of what to expect (not much):

"Depending upon whose analysis you prefer, this is now either Elizabeth Warren’s race to lose or a two-candidate race between her and Joe Biden. Bernie Sanders remains in a respectable third place both nationally and in many early states, but he’s a 78-year-old man who is recovering from a heart attack. Every other candidate will be nice to him to tonight, in part because they no longer see him as a threat. Democrats will be reluctant to send Sanders out into the high-stakes, relentless-pressure of a general election campaign knowing he’s one more bad heart incident away from being unable to finish the race. If he was your grandfather, you would want him to take it easy, not recommit to “a very vigorous campaign.”

Maybe Biden will go after Warren, Warren will go after Biden, or Tulsi Gabbard will go after someone. But the leading candidates may prefer to save their ammunition for closer to the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary. On paper, no one needs to go after someone, and when Julian Castro went after Biden’s mental capacities in the last debate, it did him no good. Before the exchange, Castro was not well known; now he’s pretty unpopular for a guy who’s so little-known."

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/tonights-democratic-debate-may-be-...

the debates are useless theatre - we need more of this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVvYH6Kkj_s - stossel/gabbard 45min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR8UcnwLH24&t= - rogan/gabbard - 2 hr 35min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIb2lmHgd5s - rogan/gabbard - 1hr 43min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-iLk1G_ng - sanders/rogan - 1hr 7min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8 - rogan/yang - 1hr 52min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2f0r9W2Mg - weinstein/yang - 1hr 2min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHuRTvzMFw - shapiro/yang - 1hr 5min

most of the 2020 dem ticket could not hang for a 1hr+ serious discussion of their viewpoints and policy...after this cycles round of podcasts i dont think i could ever vote for anyone that does not sit down for at least an hour to seriously discuss their veiwpoints without interuptions of the need to produce sound bites.

Thom’s just mad because Starnes got canned.

are those Wilco tix still available?

Weird night for sure ,,all around

Haha Wilco,, nice

 Joe's gonna beat Donald like a drum.  Bernie wrote the  dam bill.  This is fun. 

should we lock up everybody who works for drug companies?

how come Liz warren gets the "old" question?

Did Tulsi serve on the armed services comittee?

     She currently serves on the following committees;

     House Committee on Financial Services

     Subcommittee on National Security, International Development, and Monetary Policy

     Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion

     House Committee on Armed Services 

     Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities

     Subcommittee on Readiness

thom clown

     The tribal abuse of Thomas O' Bagenhammers reminds me of a book many of us read in high school, I find Thom to be a true steward of the scene...many moons ago I dated a girl up the street from the home of the Blue Hens, we spent time there one night between shows, supposedly that's where Garcia met Grisman.  Thom may not think much of me, but I applaud his efforts to engage in a peaceful exchange of ideas in a somewhat hostile environment, which is a necessary dynamic for the advancement of understanding.

     https://youtu.be/fDb-4m4O9QE

What hostility?

     ^ laughable 

     https://youtu.be/mhwsueEBsU4

My point .  You seek anything you will always find something.

     sure

     Listening to Warren blather on about her systematic mischaracterization of the healthcare debate at 12:23 am, what a complete fraudulent scam and an insult to the collective intelligence of a nation.

     To qualify that statement...I would love to have every human being on Earth covered with the absolute platinum standard of healthcare, I get it, I am on board with making that work, but Elizabeth Warren is so obviously obfuscating truth and reality...it's somewhat insulting to the intelligence of the the electorate, which is I guess fashionable in the dystopian "Alice in Wonderland" surrealistic political landscape where complete dishonesty is a celebrated value of the new left.

>political landscape where complete dishonesty is a celebrated value of the new left<

Oh the irony.  

As I wrote yesterday,  self awareness is a trait not processed by many of Trump's apologists. 

>political landscape where complete dishonesty is a celebrated value of the new left<

As of two days ago, Donny is up to 13,435 lies or misleading claims.  Setting a great example for the country to follow.   

they didn't let bernie speak much but the guy knocked it outta the park. 

bernie won the debate. again. 

They definitely took it easy on ol bern, as they should right?

After all he’s still recovering from a heart attack.

Warren will continue to cannibalize votes from all 11 that were on stage and “The Squad” will do the right thing and endorse her

once bernie is officially done.

2-3% er’s will do the same...

^remember, it's not just about beating trump (which bernie is the best candidate for), but also about drastic change in our democracy. 

voting for any other than bernie in the primary is a vote for the status quo. 

thod likes the status quo. 

If I don’t vote Bernie I’m the status quo.

jc you’re fuck’n dense

The real question is why are you campaigning for bernie here on Viva?

“if it ain’t bern then fuck you” - P-heat

It’s getting old and tired and I’m pretty sure you’re not bringing in any new votes, same as bernie’s campaign.

so does wall st.

i never said fuck you, thod. get it together man. 

bernie is the only one that'll fight for structural change within our democracy. 

why is that at so hard for you to understand? warren won't. you like her more, lol, great. good job. vote for the status quo and get trump re-elected. 

35 billionaires families have donated to warren. why is that? 

why haven't any donated to bernie? weird huh. 

im just discussing this bs here on viva. what's your issue? 

What’s the temperature in St. Petersburg right now?

almost a cool million raised last night from 40k people. 

true grassroots. 

warren came off wishy-washy and seems like your aunt betty instead of someone presidential.

i mean, i'll take it but...

Any data on how many of those 40k donors were new? Repeat donors don't necessarily prove a broadening base.

warren can't answer a question. 

she wants to court the progressives but also has to keep her promises to her corporate donors. 

that = zero change. obama 2.0

warren and bernie are not alike. 

*Yawn* New boss same as the old boss.  Thinking a vote for Bernie is some how “grassroots”. Is laughable at best.  

"his efforts to engage in a peaceful exchange of ideas"

Lol. This is the comedy gold that keeps me coming back to the Zone...

Bringing Ellen sitting next to W into the discussion was cute.  

who else has the most small $ donors and is not taking corporate contributions?

so, that's about as green as the grass grows anywhere near washington these days.

The best part was the Freedom from Religion Foundation ad.  Talk about knowing your audience, one of the greatest ad placements in the history of television.

Wow, Thom, that was a really insightful contribution. Thank you.

do you support the separation of church and state or are you a christian taliban?

So 5% of Republicans, 9% of Independents, and a whole 13% of Democrats don't believe in god. I wonder where someone could get the idea that Democrats are godless heathens and Republicans are god fearing good Americans. Funny coming from someone who supports a President who only sees god in the mirror. 

FUCK IT  I'M VOTING FOR BERNIE

Just like last time

Even if i have to write him in again

Genius. ^
 

<<<>>>Thinking a vote for Bernie is some how “grassroots”. Is laughable at best.  

100% grassroots. only campaign. laugh away. 

"But I'm not on it tonight."  

Go Bernie!

huge rally in queens today. attendance should blow away warrens she held in manhattan recently. 

warren - manhattan. 

bernie - queens. 

perfect. 

     Has Bernie endorsed ending the endless wars lately?

yes. 

do you still think trump is the peace president after launching more drone strikes in 3 years than any other president has in two full terms? 

Weekend at bernie's 2.0 re-boot?

Good to see AOC lend ol bern a huge hand with the crowd size today...

Michael Moore endorsement also.

warren's in trouble. 

almost 35k people including the almost 10k outside of the park. 

more rally's to come. 

political revolution. 

Bryen = LOL

<<<>>>Thinking a vote for Bernie is some how “grassroots”. Is laughable at best.  

100% grassroots. only campaign. laugh away. <<<>>>

The grassroots laughter will be loud and full of joy when Bernie becomes President, and then we will really get to work.

>do you still think trump is the peace president after launching more drone strikes in 3 years than any other president has in two full terms?<

Of course he does. Facts are irrelevant,  he's a gaslighting POS. 

>>> almost 35k people including the almost 10k outside of the park <<<
 

Interesting numbers you got there P-heat...

I did a quick google search of "bernie sanders rally attendance"

Shows pretty much nothing over 25-26k.

I wonder how much was because of the star power of AOC being that she is from Queens?

Anyways... good for ol bern.

Hey Bryen, someone asked you a simple yes-no question?

do you still think trump is the peace president after launching more drone strikes in 3 years than any other president has in two full terms? 

Isnt' that your game?

In his first rally since he suffered a heart attack, the Vermont senator delivered a speech Saturday to a crowd his campaign estimated at 26,000 people, the largest number any Democratic presidential candidate has drawn this year. And he was joined by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the star liberal congresswoman who made her endorsement official onstage.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/19/bernie-sanders-ocasio-cortez-en...

I've read Warren had 20k, Harris 20k at the beginning of the race each without a superhero endorsement.

So do those numbers really get you jazzed?

Might be a lil bump for him right now and considering he just survived a heart attack.

Go ahead and call it a huge win.

there was almost 10k outside. 26k inside. largest rally for any dem candidate yet. 

the warren crowd is very jealous of this massive endorsement. 

Can we get a new law on the books?

A potential candidate can't declare and start collecting money until March of the primary year. Three months is plenty of time.

What a waste of time and money all this crap is. The longer the primary season, the more money that gets squandered. It's just stupid.

This is a very interesting article, with plenty of stats. Combined, the Democratic hopefuls had already spent about $200 million by the end of Q3. Warren has taken in less cash than Bernie, but percentage wise, her numbers of large to small donors aren't that different than his. https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/elections/what-third-quarte...

How much will be spent by June? What a waste of time and money.