California exports it's poor, while wealthier people move in

Texans have pools too, so it's all good.

where do the busboys live?

It's getting colder. 

>>where do the busboys live?

That's a question I've been wondering for some time now- how do folks working in food service/hospitality industry/clerks, etc live in the San Francisco bay area?  I live in a 1300 square foot home which I bought for 215k.  Form what I understand, the same property in San Fran would cost well upwards of a million bucks.  How do folks working for, say, 12-20 dollars an hour get by at all?

California exports plenty of not-poors also. I know a couple families that moved in the last year or so.

>>where do the busboys live?

it seems like a lot of low-end jobs aren't filled at all. I see "help wanted" signs everywhere in restaurants and stores. It seems to be harder than ever to get good, reliable people for part-time minimum-wage no-benefit jobs or even some higher-wage jobs. A friend who is a supervisor told me "my team is supposed to be 10 people, at the last event I had 4". . I was drinking beer the other day when someone ordered food and the bartender went off about the chef who hadn't come in.

There are a few California families I have met recently here in the northeast who have moved here to get away from environmental disasters that have become yearly events in California. 

We rent a two room 550 square foot apartment for $1500 per month 22 miles east of San Francisco. 

>How do folks working for, say, 12-20 dollars an hour get by at all?

just barely.... here in IL., coupons for everything food related along with generic brands, no vacations, 2nd hand clothes mostly, antenna tv, and cars for under 5K...living that dream right now along with most of murica.. I have no idea how anyone can afford to live in big cities or by water.

Siobud, most workers in food/service have multiple jobs here. 

I’ve seen reports of teachers in the Bay Area who live hours away, and during the week they live in their cars or they rent small bedrooms locally. 

That’s pretty nuts.

They should put a tariff on those people being exported and imported 

They probably vote third party. 

California exports its poor to Texas, other states, while wealthier people move in<<

Does Trump know this? 

He might change his tune on CA.

Hell, he might take "credit" for it.

"you profit from my labor,

while i feed my kids on hope..."

-r. hunter

>I’ve seen reports of teachers in the Bay Area who live hours away, and during the week they live in their cars or they rent small bedrooms locally. 

"Teacher Housing Projects" are being created to try and  address the need.

 https://www.sfexaminer.com/the-city/more-teacher-housing-projects-in-the...

https://www.businessinsider.com/backlash-teacher-housing-bay-area-2019-1

And hard to fathom, but NIMBY's are working to put the kibosh on the affordable teacher housing in some communities. Dummies.

Wouldn’t be nice to be CEO of a “Non Profit”?

Why not just pay the teachers more?  Ah that’s right, because then we couldn’t call it a housing crisis and get the big circle jerk of bureaucrats and developers sucking the tax man tit.

I mean really isn’t  Teacher Housing just a round about way?  Put the money in the teachers pocket.

Adding high density apartments means adding heads to classrooms. 

I moved to Texas for a job.

Housing in Texas is not much cheaper than Cali....when you take into account anything other than square footage.

And even on a price per sq foot basis, housing in TX is much more expensiove than you think, because it is taxed heavily in comparison to Cali.

Instead of taxing housing wealth, Cali tyaxes income.

Texas property tax is effectively about 4 or five times as much as in Cali.

why?

1) Texas rates are aroun 2.7% of property value, with no "freeze", it goes up every year if the value increases.

2) Cali taxes about 1% every year, but freezes the value in comparison to Texas (see Proposition 13):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13

Limit the tax rate for properties[edit]

Section 1. (a) The maximum amount of any ad valorem tax on real property shall not exceed one percent (1%) of the full cash value of such property. The one percent (1%) tax to be collected by the counties and apportioned according to law to the districts within the counties.

— California Constitution Article XIII A

Proposition 13 declared property taxes were to be assessed their 1976 value and restricted annual increases of the tax to an inflation factor, not to exceed 2% per year. A reassessment of the property tax can only be made a) when the property ownership changes or b) there is construction done.[6]

3) so texans pay 2.7% of real market value, which can and does increase 10% per year;

4) Californian's pay maximum 1% of market value, and it is limited to inflationary increases.

BIG difference.

>>Housing in Texas is not much cheaper than Cali..

sure seems like it just based on median home prices:

Austin median home price: 407K  (Dallas is under 300K)

SF Bay Area median home price: 830K

San Francisco median home price: 1.7 MIL

I have a close friend who is a waiter in a very high end financial district Restaurant. He makes upwards of 80K a year. He lives in Glen Park and pays $800 a month for a killer one bedroom apartment. He's lucky and he's very good at what he does.

>> He's lucky and he's very good at what he does.

One can get very far in life this way.  There will always be slackers, too.

People that don't earn enough drag everyone else down.

If they are exporting their poor they're doing a bad job of it....

California’s poverty rate among highest in nation once again, new census figures show

Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article234920662.html#storylink=cpy

I’m sure a lot of that is due to overall wage stagnation fuck-face. When your Orange Jesus gives a massive bonus to his 1%er friends it tends to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. 

Now go play in traffic. 

>>>  Austin median home price: 407K  (Dallas is under 300K)

>>>   SF Bay Area median home price: 830K

As I said, you have to look at property taxes, too.

Today, tax on the SF house = $8,300.

Tax on the SF house in ten years = ~ $9,000 MAX (2% cap annual increase)

tax on the Austin house today = $407,000 x ~2.6% = ~$10,500

tax on the Austin house in ten years = as much as ~$25,000.

But yes, a $400k house IS cheaper than an $830k house, even including prop tax.

What I'm saying is that the rent to the county for prop tax is much higher in TX,

so a $500,000 house in TX is significantly more expensive than a $500k house in California.

But don't get me wrong, most Texas housing is a lot cheaper than Coastal California.

I've been trying to talk Slacker into moving to Foat Wuth for years.

Ever been to Texas?

Not a lot of natural beauty other than vegetation (there are exceptions, but Dallas is pretty flat).

Plus TX has a LOT of bible thumpers.

In NYC they just beat the poor bastards to death

Four Homeless Men Beaten to Death Early Saturday Morning in NYC's Chinatown

Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard

I actually like Texas. I enjoyed my 48 Hours there. I love the whole Southwest. 

New York blows chunks. 

The executives at my wife's work all just moved to Texas. My wife would probably do it if she were given the crony salary she's more than earned. 

“Your poor huddled masses, let's club 'em to death
and get it over with and just dump 'em on the boulevard”

- Donald J. Trump

>>New York blows chunks. 

It sure does. I mean NO ONE wants to live THERE, right? 

NYC is a trailblazer.  They’ve had rent control longer than any other city in the states.  I hear it’s cheap there.