POTUS tells brown-skinned members of Congress to go back to their own countries

Wow, he got racism, sexism and xenophobia all into one tweet.  The trifecta.

Aren't you glad that we have a president who spends his Sunday mornings so constructively leading 'Merica?

More POS than POTUS.

But we already know that.

"So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run," Trump tweeted.

Pressley was born in Cincinnati, Tlaib was born in Detroit and Ocasio-Cortez was born in New York - about 20 miles from where Trump was born.. Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia; her family fled the country amid civil war when she was a child, and she became a U.S. citizen as a teenager.

All four women won election to Congress in 2018.

https://www.sfgate.com/nationworld/article/Trump-says-four-liberal-congresswomen-should-go-14094459.php

If you're one sunburn away from even looking brown, you might wanna keep you're head on a swivel.

>>>>"countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe"

Pretty accurate description of the White House.

he did nail that part. I’m surprised he didn’t throw a “get back in the kitchen” at them too. 

I wonder how the first-lady, being from a foreign country whose government is probably a total catastrophe and being that anti-internet-bullying is her project, feels about all of this. Maybe she really doesn’t care, do you? 

ragging on POTUS is cool and everything and i'm all for it, but what are the dems gonna do about their dumpster fire of a party?

Trump 2020 is barreling down the tracks. Ranting on a dbmb ain't gonna change nuthin son.

Were you a pizzagate guy Lassen? It’s hard for me to keep track of who-is-who around here. 

 Do any Trump supporters on the zone consider themselves racist ?

All the yummy food comes from "shithole" countries. 

>>>> Ranting on a dbmb ain't gonna change nuthin son.

Good point.   Nothing against blowing off steam on a dbmb but Trump is the ultimate tar baby.   He has said and will continue to say plenty of stupid outrageous shit, but wasting time and energy reacting to it isn't going to get him kicked out of office.   In fact, part of the reason some like him is because he gets a rise out of liberals.

Energy would be better spent supporting a solid candidate that has a chance to win back all the Obama voters who stayed home or switched sides in 2016 and, of course, working on the local level to make your community a great place notwithstanding the daily shit show in DC.  

>> A white man and an elderly Native man became pretty good friends, so the white guy decided to ask him: “What do you think about Indian mascots?” The Native elder responded, “Here’s what you’ve got to understand. When you look at black people, you see ghosts of all the slavery and the rapes and the hangings and the chains. When you look at Jews, you see ghosts of all those bodies piled up in death camps. And those ghosts keep you trying to do the right thing. “But when you look at us you don’t see the ghosts of the little babies with their heads smashed in by rifle butts at the Big Hole, or the old folks dying by the side of the trail on the way to Oklahoma while their families cried and tried to make them comfortable, or the dead mothers at Wounded Knee or the little kids at Sand Creek who were shot for target practice. You don’t see any ghosts at all. “Instead you see casinos and drunks and junk cars and shacks. “Well, we see those ghosts. And they make our hearts sad and they hurt our little children. And when we try to say something, you tell us, ‘Get over it. This is America. Look at the American dream.’ But as long as you’re calling us Redskins and doing tomahawk chops, we can’t look at the American dream, because those things remind us that we are not real human beings to you. And when people aren’t humans, you can turn them into slaves or kill six million of them or shoot them down with Hotchkiss guns and throw them into mass graves at Wounded Knee. “No, we’re not looking at the American dream. And why should we? We still haven’t woken up from the American nightmare.<<

~from "Neither Wolf Nor Dog", a book by Kent Nerburn

Solid contribution to the thread, Druba.....

Trump has pissed on the Ancestral Tree.

As a young man in the 1880s Friedrich had left Europe to seek his fortune in America during the Gold Rush, heading to Washington State and the Yukon to open hotel-restaurants catering to gold-diggers. After marrying Elisabeth in 1901 the couple moved to New York. But by 1904 she had grown homesick and they returned to make a living in their homeland.

Yet their homeland rejected them, because Friedrich Trump had broken the law. By going to the U.S. he had skipped Germany’s compulsory military service. As punishment his German citizenship was revoked. Trump groveled and begged to the authorities, writing to a local prince to ask “Why should we be deported? This is very, very hard for a family.” But it did no good. Cast out from the land of their birth, on June 30th 1905 the Trumps followed so many others of the world’s poor, huddled masses, yearning to be free, and traveled once again to the United States.

Germany playing the long-game. Sneaky fuckers. 

Trump is vile.

     I'll wander out on this limb.

     If he had written the tweet specifically to Ilhan Omar, I think most fair-minded people would have agreed with the sentiment given her recent statements [google it].  

     If I had to speculate, he had a momentary lapse of reason and conflated the group [the squad] with the individual.

     In my opinion, having been around a couple of campaigns, it was an inarticulate moment that could have been handled differently.  If anything, it exposes the lack of filtration in the process for better...or in this case, worse.  

https://www.newsweek.com/ilhan-omar-wants-marijuana-legalized-nationwide...

momentary<

FFS!

     Thought/Honesty Experiment*:

     True or False

     ___  Ilhan Omar loves America  

     ___  Ilhan Omar hates America 

    * please answer as honestly as possible, thank you

you are lost

answer honestly - do you think you are racist?  who is willing compromise all ethical and moral values , "supporting" this vile man

how can you 

it is very sad - at least your are breathing....

i hope your friend's disappearance is resolved

make America white again - (and my personal playground and ego toy - and oodles of money for the privliged...)

his grandpa, wife, etc....

OPEN YOUR EYES

lying and manipulating are not valued behaviors - to most good people

   ^ You still haven't answered the question in regards to Ilhan Omar, thank you.

          Thought/Honesty Experiment*:

          True or False

          ___  Ilhan Omar loves America  

          ___  Ilhan Omar hates America 

         * please answer as honestly as possible, thank you

Bryen

i will pray for you

 Bryen

do you love America?

Bryen

do you love honesty?

 Bryen

are you a racist ?

    ^ TDS is real

     ..,care to answer the question?

 Momentary lapse of reason is a great album 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Momentary_Lapse_of_Reason

POSUS Is bat shit crazy and honestly is evil

 Bryen

Are you just having a momentary lapse of reason this lasting six, eight, ten years

Hell maybe your Kirby and just trolling like a motherfucker

     ...still waiting 

Are you going to wear your "Vegans for Trump" shirt at the next MAGA rally? (i'm sure that'd go over swimmingly well!)

As to your oversimplified binary question, perhaps an honest answer from her would involve a long list of pros and cons, relating to the current state of our union. 

     Go ahead, answer the question, I dare you, it's a true of false question, should be simple enough, remember...be honest.

     Edit: true "or" false

<<Go ahead, answer the question, I dare you, it's a true of false question, should be simple enough, remember...be honest.>>

<<Bryen

are you a racist ?>>

Yes, I believe he is a racist, and he backs pedophiles 

<<Bryen

do you love America?>>

Yes, I believe he loves white Americans only

     ^ Classy 

     How about you Druba, do you love America? 

>If he had written the tweet specifically to Ilhan Omar, I think most fair-minded people would have agreed with the sentiment given her recent statements [google it].  <

But he didn't. He attacked several women of color, all but one an American citizen.  

He's a thought experiment...

Can you address the Trump's racist, misogynist attack on the women? 

     So...I'm curious, do you love America?  Should be an easy question to answer...why the hesitation?

You first, asshole. 

Address Trump's racist, misogynist attack. 

You're repeated deflection suggests that you support Trump's racism. 

     For instance, Ray loved America...be more like Ray

     AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL by Ray Charles

     https://youtu.be/TRUjr8EVgBg

^More deflection...

I am left to assume that Brayin' condones Trump's racism and his misogyny .

>>>do you love America?

Yes.   Current state of division and bs rhetoric from all sides, no.   

Bryen, respectfully, I think if you can give Trump a pass for his statement or the literally 100s upon 100s of misstatements he's made over the past few years, then surely you can give her a pass for one statement?   no?    What's the difference?  Is it that we know that Trump is just a blowhard and so it's ok ...it's just Trump being Trump?  Should expect more from her?   Shouldn't we expect more from everyone?    

If Trump gets re-elected I think it could be the worst thing possible for the Republican Party.   

I am curious on your opinion of Mitch.  While he clearly is doing wonders for the Republican party, do you think he is good for the country?   

     Zang,  

     Here are my unfiltered thoughts, and again, for what it's worth I think Trump did honestly conflate the group & the individual...but he sort of "cut to the chase", in his own unique way...correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a "hate America" crowd that is emerging as a force within the "new left", admit it or choose not to admit it, but it's true.  Ilhan Omar and her ilk have made the calculated decision to appeal to that constituency, I think in his own way Trump just drew a line in the sand, which is an interesting move on the chessboard.  

^More deflection.

"...Go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

All but one is a US citizen. He didn't conflate the group and the individual.  He directed women color to go back to where they came from.  

Unfortunately, it is no surprise that you continue to defend Trump's racism and his misogyny.  

     The interesting thing to observe will be Omar's next move, is she all of a sudden going to show everyone how much she loves America?  Of course not.  How about Rashida Tlaib?  She wears her contempt for this country as a badge of honor, it's her identity...what's her next move?  Play Ray's America the Beautiful as the intro music at her next rally?  They will continue to exhibit a public disdain for this country and everything it represents, but now it has been officially noted in the zeitgeist...that's what just happened.

     ...and Druba will scour the internet for memes to cut & paste

     Enjoy the day

No, asshole, what just happened is yet another example of Trump's racism and his misogyny. 

Your attempt to introduce a red herring affirms your support of Trump's racism. 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/ice-just-quietly-opened-thr...

I would say true, since she and her family came here at great personal risk, worked hard to remain and she sought the privilege of legal citizenship as a young adult, at 17, then became an active part of her community and sought to serve in the federal government. Such actions can be taken to reasonably imply a love of her nation.

America is a nation, at least in the vision of its founders (which original vision was obviously flawed in some ways) in which questioning of and criticism of the government and nation are not only to be protected but, I think, are the highest form of patriotism to this nation and its ideals.

There are lots of nations that take a different, more restrictive view of the manner in which one  is allowed to reflect on their nation and its governance...such nations often embrace a more simple-minded and restrictive form of nationalism than the messy, contentious freedom we enjoy in America. Perhaps such nations would be more to your liking, Bryen? The  America of the Constitution and its guaranteed freedoms seem a bit much for you.

People can emigrate just as easily as immigrate. Omar’s family came to a nation they preferred. Perhaps you would rather do the same?

Bryen,

No comment on Mitch?  

I disagree.  I don't think it's a hate America.   I think that's the propaganda machine fox news and others are telling the right.   I see no sort of hate for America that you describe but happy to read a fair assessment.   I see hate for the leadership (if you all it that) and the lack of checks and balances that are supposed to be in place.    

>>>>>>> then surely you can give her a pass for one statement?   

He can't even say what statement he is upset over. 

     Let me put it another way, what Trump has done albeit clumsily in regards to the obvious confusion between Omar and her squadron, is frame the debate...he's really quite skilled at framing debates, basically observing the obvious disdain for this country from the left and staking out the counter position, an unapologetic love for America.  Before the "Resist" crowd knows what just happened he's drawn a clear distinction between himself and whoever the democrats can prop up in 2020 realizing nobody ever hated America all the way to the White House.  Does any of that make sense?  Probably not, but you'll figure it out eventually.  

>>>>>>Let me put it another way,

He still won't answer what statement she made that is angering him 

Bryey, the persistent rash that just won't go away.

Yesterday I noticed 3 --

But after undertaking a more thorough census this morning, we have 5 monarch caterpillars on our milkweed plants.
Proud supporters of illegals from Mexico living in our sanctuary backyard

Nice pic, a third instar. Good sign. How tall are the milkweeds?

in the 90's there was a company that wired studios and stadiums and such(including Fenway)

the biggest customers by far back then were rural non denominational evangelical churches

little tv studios and radio stations all across america​, pushing an agenda

got admit for being the minority and shrinking their organizational and mobilization skills are legendary in the history of polo-tics

then came the internet!! High! rusky troll farm, thanks for reading this 

but I digress

wow bry just got a taste of the chancellor's woodshed.

     Yet another attempt to explain what just happened:  

     It's kind of a well worn metaphor at this point but it's an apt phrase, "3-dimensional chess", not even so much in the here and now, but playing the "long game", it's almost like an instinct to posture or position for future events...what Trump has done here is a gambit of sorts, but he is basically forcing the pink hat brigade to "own it", whether they want to or not, and they probably aren't capable of thinking it through, but like it or not they are now in a position where their disdain for all things red, white & blue is branded as their new identity.  

     It's their own doing, the Betsy Ross thing on the Fourth of July is a great example, what a gift for Trump, at some point he just saw the opportunity to call it out for what it is and force the left to own the narrative they've created.  Know this...democrat strategists are having this very discussion sitting around conference tables this morning and realizing it was a brilliant move on the chessboard, for whatever that may be worth...I'm just trying to explain to you guys what just happened, but by all means figure it out December of 2020 if that makes you feel better.

So, you’re just pointing out the obvious political strategy behind Trump’s tweet, not explaining the validity of its sentiment? I’m smart enough that you can skip ahead to whatever thoughtful or nuanced ideas you might have in response to my last post and stop hammering away at the delusion that any of us fail to comprehend the simple and obvious points you keep repeating.

Bryen cuts his cake with a paper knife.

>>in the 90's there was a company that wired studios and stadiums and such(including Fenway)

the biggest customers by far back then were rural non denominational evangelical churches

Republicans stoke fear and loathing to keep people divided. Then they gerrymander their districts to stay in power. Then they steal from the poor and give to the rich. 

Everything is a distraction while getting the money.  

>>>>>Yet another attempt to

avoid answering what statement Omar made that was worse than anything Trump said. 

MAGA

Make America German again

First, you stoke hatred and fear of minorities. Then you round them up and put them in camps. Next, you send out raiding parties to get those who have been driven into hiding. The armbands come next right?

Strong work Steve.  Bryen deflect deflect but never reflect

some well written abject distant posts with lots of words with no meaning and no rational thought

No soul no righteousness (And I like the definition of a moron)

Are you uncomfortable admitting that you’re racist? you never answer the fucking question a holebut your posts sure do

And yes you can love America and be a racist

For some reason it  reminds me of the poor souls that fall in love with murderers and worse that are  in prison

Yes in one category Trump is very skilled and I’ll probably even give in to intelligent

But being manipulative is rarely a positive trait or a good thing

     At the end of the day there is an open hostility towards this country that may be the undoing of the democrats for generations to come, that and the Russia scam...you heard it here first.

You’re wrong.

I feel the lotus jewel would make a nice butt plug, Bryen/Ken. What do you think?

At the beginning, the end, the middle, at 2:47am,, pick the time --- there is a deserving and of course open ended hostility towards any inhabitant of this country that co opts the population based on personal greed.  Most of us still hang our flag higher than any piece of shit fake patriot republican.   

While digesting Reader's Digest in the back of a dirty book store
A plastic flag, with gum on the back fell out on the floor
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside, slapped it on my window shield
And if I could see old Betsy Ross I'd tell her how good I feel

But your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore
They're already overcrowded from your dirty little war
Now Jesus don't like killin', no matter what the reason's for
And your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore

Well, I went to the bank this morning and the cashier he said to me
"If you join the Christmas club we'll give you ten of them flags for free"
Well, I didn't mess around a bit, I took him up on what he said
And I stuck them stickers all over my car and one on my wife's forehead

But your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore
They're already overcrowded from your dirty little war
Now Jesus don't like killin', no matter what the reason's for
And your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore

Well, I got my window shield so filled with flags I couldn't see
So, I ran the car upside a curb and right into a tree
By the time they got a doctor down I was already dead
And I'll never understand why the man standing in the pearly gates said

"But your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore
We're already overcrowded from your dirty little war"
"Now Jesus don't like killin', no matter what the reason's for
And your flag decal won't get you into Heaven anymore"

Songwriters: John Prine

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore

Donald Trump is not America.

and his robot neo-conservative zealots don’t have a monopoly on patriotism.

This hostility and rage isn’t directed at America, it’s directed squarely at Donald Trump, his enablers, his policies, his family, his words, his actions, and his complete and total lack of leadership and civility.

dont ever, ever get that shit twisted up again.

     When's the last time Rashida Tliab spoke about the deep love she has for this country?  Thanks.

^Still trying to rationalize your racism

When was the last time that you dislodged the perfect lotus jewel from your anus, Bryen?

Namaste.

Actions speak louder than words and I’m a man with a great experience

Donald Trump only loves himself

The Donald pretends: let the American  dodging the draft dodging paying taxes hugging the American flag and preaching hate

 Donald Trump does not love America, and that’s not the issue here

It feels like he is (trying?) to tear down democracy and rip up the Constitution and our balance of law and power. But for what end??? 0

     I think you're about to witness an electoral college landslide to rival Reagan in '84

 >>>>When's the last time Rashida Tliab spoke about the deep love she has for this country?  

Where would you send her if you could make her leave?

yeah dodging drafts

millionaire not paying taxes or workers

but because he says xeonophobic statements makes him ok in repub eyes?

the level of hate and resentment from the right is insane.

you know you have been winning since you assassinated kennedy don't you?

> I think you're about to witness an electoral college landslide to rival Reagan in '84<

Nah, there are plenty of racist pieces of shit, such as yourself, to keep it close. 

..

      Woody Guthrie - This Land is Your Land

      https://youtu.be/wxiMrvDbq3s

When's the last time Rashida Tliab spoke about the deep love she has for this country?  Thanks.<<<

Since when is it required for citizens to love their country?

For that matter, even if one despises this country, where in the Constitution does it afford the President to prod people to leave?

Not a discussor, huh?

Have you met Thom, Bryen? He, too, enjoys making dubious proclamations—repeatedly—and then ignoring the responses, assuming people just aren’t prepared to comprehend the complex truths he’s laying down.

His proclamations, like yours, are generally not complex, thoughtful or original enough to worry anyone with a decent mind and the ability to look things up.

Off you go, then. Perhaps a country that expects of its citizens a more homogenous view of country and politics and a less liberal emphasis on freedom of thought would suit you better, but I’m not suggesting you leave. Nothing you appear to think or believe is any sort of threat to the freedom most of us love, or the ideals that truly do make America great (though not beyond criticism). Fly your flag, wrap yourself in the simpleminded concept of patriotism you find so comfortable. There’s room for all types in America.

(I’m not being a wiseass...that’s actually how I view your politics...ignorant, but harmless).

>>>we have 5 monarch caterpillars on our milkweed plants.

Nice- my brother planted milkweed and already has some monarchs!!  They're beautiful!  Great photo.

Nice of you to drop in and subject us to your tired and played out shtick, Ateix.  Hope your life doesn't suck as much as it appears through this black screen.  Vibes and shit for your wretched attitude towards us.

     I'm multitasking...what was the question?  Thanks 

     I think I have it, more or less "Why don't you let Tlaib be Tlaib?"

     By all means, continue the hate train all the way to November 2020, I'm not sure that will work for you guys, but it's a free country :)

8:54 this morning, man. Made points about Omar, answered your true/false question and wrote two interrogative statements of my own.

b-bry​, don't lots of working class people by you done got them cumberland blues?

i am gonna say i am not reading this thread, but am hoping most of us agree he is heinous.

(hi Thom)

     I had to do a few things...is everybody ok?  I hope so.  It'll all work out in the end, have a beautiful evening :)

     Chance...I'll try to catch up to you on the 8:54 thing, Omar doesn't seem to particularly like America very much, haven't really even discussed the antisemitism with her & Tlaib...pretty crazy stuff, what are your thoughts on that?  I'll check in later...peace!  Stay beautiful!

ateix - our common milkweed's about 7 feet tall, and the little monarch boogers love it

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/israel/palestine

>>> I'll check in later...peace!  Stay beautiful! <<<

~ Namaste

God Bless Americaaaa -- Lannnd That I ,,,   

call any vegetable, call it by name

You've got to call one today bry, when you get off the train

What's your old PZ handle sissy Bri?   Why are you hiding?  Chancellor already owns you.   

“Do you love America”

can we we add that to the census?

  He was owned months ago, this is the trolls greatest hits

Good to see you here. Chance.

We appreciate you taking the time to school the tool.

Ass-Glitter Troll is like the love child of Blair and Kliss.

     Watched a little bit of the news conference, I thought the victimhood angle will certainly play well with the base, this is definitely bigger than Watergate, there will be pink hats flooding the sidewalks & bike paths of various liberal arts colleges throughout the country...we are living a moment in history, I'll always remember where I was when that tweet was sent...actually I forgot already, but it's a very big deal, this is your generation's Mueller moment!

They don't call him Dog Whistle Donnie for nothing

Republicans welcomed the klan into there party.

Thanks Kalashnikov Bryen for your ASSessment although I forgot it already 

     Russia...that's a stroll down memory lane, do you guys remember the whole Russia thing?  Good times!

> I'll always remember ...

Folks reading this thread will always remember that you are a racist piece of shit 

We were talking
About the space between us all
And the people
Who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth
Then it's far too late when they pass away

The person who smears Mexican immigrants as rapists and murderers (even grudgingly admitting “some are good people”) is clearly a nativist bigot.

The person who initially attempted to pass by executive fiat a ban on Muslim immigrants is clearly an Islamaphobic bigot.

The person who caviled for years that the first black president — of Kenyan heritage — wasn’t really born here (despite voluminous, contemporaneous, evidence to the contrary) is clearly a xenophobic bigot.

The person who suggests that four members of Congress should just shut up or “go back” to other countries is clearly an ignorant and xenophobic bigot. Ignorant because of the “four Progressive Congresswomen” Trump alludes to, Ilhan Omar, is Somali-born, but a naturalized American; Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a New York-born Latina; Rashida Tlaib is a Michigan-born Arab; Ayanna Pressley is a black Cincinnati-born, Chicago-raised Massachusetts representative.

He’s xenophobic, because even if all were born elsewhere, America welcomes all, even those who find, at times, the need to criticize it.

~Robert A. George~

Dude nailed it.

Get ready for another four years of this shit. His base is mainly dumb, uneducated people, but they're going to come out in droves to vote for the fucker.

donnie

send you wife (the pornist)  home ( and the chain immigration inlaws )

at least you have her completely dominated, and the least effective first lady of modern times

DONNIEBOY I wonder if / where yoy are getting sex - i am certain you make her skin crawl - money isn't everything?

Chancellor - so good to read you again !

Weird Steve, thanks for the recommendation of the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. What a well written and well researched book. Been enjoying it. Thanks. 

Some great posts here from Turtle,4 Winds,The catipadilar photo person,ad I Am sure that I missed the beginning .

But the person in my mind set and Tribe would be Chancellor.

Thanks for reassuring some sanity.

     Ok beautiful people, I had a busy day, but I will now attempt to address the celebrated "8:54 text" from the Oracle of Other Stuff, a man so brilliant you may want to put on sunglasses, and just an all-around great guy...Chancellor [applause]

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I would say true, since she and her family came here at great personal risk, worked hard to remain and she sought the privilege of legal citizenship as a young adult, at 17, then became an active part of her community and sought to serve in the federal government. Such actions can be taken to reasonably imply a love of her nation.

- Fair enough, but why is she always complaining about how she hates it here?  I think any fair minded person would admit that she wears her disdain for America on her sleeve, but I digress.

America is a nation, at least in the vision of its founders (which original vision was obviously flawed in some ways) in which questioning of and criticism of the government and nation are not only to be protected but, I think, are the highest form of patriotism to this nation and its ideals.

- While I agree with that sentiment, there's a fine line between wanting to improve policy and being openly hostile towards the country, in all seriousness, I honestly do not recall 4 politicians with such visceral hatred towards this country in my lifetime...please, name four examples.

There are lots of nations that take a different, more restrictive view of the manner in which one  is allowed to reflect on their nation and its governance...such nations often embrace a more simple-minded and restrictive form of nationalism than the messy, contentious freedom we enjoy in America. Perhaps such nations would be more to your liking, Bryen? The  America of the Constitution and its guaranteed freedoms seem a bit much for you.

- sure, whatever 

People can emigrate just as easily as immigrate. Omar’s family came to a nation they preferred. Perhaps you would rather do the same?

- clever, an insult of sublime intellectual superiority...kudos 

     Big day, we'll see how it shakes out, in some ways within the last 48 hours the pieces have just been moved on the chessboard so significantly that it's essentially the end of Pelosi's tenure as a leader of her party, that's a monumental development, oddly enough the Other Ones played the MCI Center in Washington DC the night she was handed the gavel as the first female speaker of the house, there was a rumor she was backstage...somewhat believable given she's a San Francisco girl, there was an electricity in the air of historical importance, it was a special night.  I have a really cool hand-printed red, white & blue poster from that evening that I scored in the parking lot from the artist...time flies.

     Have a beautiful night, I always enjoy the back & forth, stay beautiful!  Cheers!

     https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/15/us/pelosi-easily-wins-election-for-ho...    

     https://archive.org/details/too2002-11-15.neumann-km140.unknown.14252.shnf

Fair enough, but why is she always complaining about how she hates it here? <<

Bullsh*t premise. 

F this guy.

I see that Brayin' is still trying to justify his defense of Trump's racist attack.

Trump:

Vile.      Racist   uncouth    Sloppy.  Careless.   Unfit

Bryen:  No matter how well you write well, while  saying  nothing of substance and deflecting and being dishonest and disingenuous

you are as he is - (Possibly more intelligent), but misguided at best

 You are a stain on my country that I love and I am proud of       I guess I have to take the bad with the good, and you are bad

Just say yes I am and don’t write so much drivel bullshit propaganda and make yourself even more of a fool, And an embarrassmentto the country I love.     Go home

Demanding denunciations, asking for Republicans officeholders to say it’s wrong, somehow gives them all too much credit. Better to say this is who you support. We knew this was him yesterday just as much as today and whether you express “deep concern” or even a more fulsome criticism hardly matters because you supported him and followed him yesterday and you’ll be doing exactly the same thing tomorrow.

- Josh Marshall

Hi, Bryen.

>>Fair enough, but why is she always complaining about how she hates it here?  I think any fair minded person would admit that she wears her disdain for America on her sleeve, but I digress.

Untrue. Here are just a few quotes from Congresswoman Omar:

"I believe in the ideals of America, in liberty, justice and the pursuit of happiness."

"This country gave us hope. This country allowed for us to develop our own identity and to create our own home. And we should not look down on the next person that is trying to do that."

"Truly, this is a nation that sees itself as one that instills hope and is really about allowing people to pursue their dreams."

"As an immigrant, I truly believed when I was coming to this country that people had the tools necessary to life to live a life that is prosperous, that is just and free. So, every single day, I am shocked with the hypocrisy of this country. That we are the wealthiest nation in the world. But we cannot figure out how to house our homeless people."

That's all pretty representative of her views on her nation (America). I don't see her expressing all of the things (or the one thing) you say is so obvious because she wears it on her sleeve. So, there's that. You're wrong about her having disdain for America.

>>clever, an insult of sublime intellectual superiority...kudos 

It was not an insult, Bryen...it was an attempt to point out that you could be seen as feeling disdain for the ideals of America as I conceive them (which is accurate...you seem to hold disdain for those ideals I described, which you sort of agreed with, but then explained the fine line you see in stating them and feeling hatred for our country). I frankly think that you appear to be, at best, ambivalent to what American ideals really are and, possibly, hostile to those ideals. You say that Trump is valid in suggesting Omar leave  because you think she does the same thing, so I--validly--pointed out that perhaps you should leave since, from my perspective, you hold views that are blatantly antithetical to American ideals and founding principles and should probably just go elsewhere.

Obviously I don't think that, but if you're accepting such a construct, you could find yourself asked to leave at some point, which is (of course) ludicrous.

I don't think Trump actually has any principles beyond his own self interest and has decided that a coalition made up of his die-hard 33% and the evangelicals who he allows to drive his judicial nominations will win him re-election. I do think he's racist and his history, both before and during his presidency, makes that empirically obvious to those with eyes to see,  but I also think that if he thought tacking left on any of his policies would help his chances, he'd do so.

So, there you go.

     Sure, whatever you say Chancellor...enjoy the day.

‘You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany, or Turkey or Japan, but you cannot become a German, a Turk or Japanese. But anyone, from any corner of the Earth, can come to live in America and become an American.’

- Saint Ronald Reagan 

>>Sure, whatever you say Chancellor...enjoy the day.

So we’re agreed then?

     Sure Chancellor, I get the Alice in Wonderland "If you love the country you really hate it and if you hate it you really love it" argument...well played, really a brilliant move on your part.  

     Cheers!

^ holy cow, Bryen. When faced with a well supported argument you fold like a cheap lawn chair.

Not just with Chance....it's a pattern.

How are all those indictments for Treason coming along, Byren?

Strange how the DOJ and POTUS allow these traitors to freely walk the streets.

Love it or leave it

oh how history repeats itself

whats wrong with me just thinking its ok, not really great but not all bad, is that allowed in this new republic?, and I will allow you to continue feeling that it a bit too dark for your liking, curl yourself into that little ball of hate if you like, it’s allowed in my book.

Briy

 love it or leave it

Thing is, i’m Serious...you seem to have either ambivalence to the ideals of America as I understand them or outright opposition to them. I don’t think you hate America any more than Omar. I’ve not heard you express your love of America and its ideals with the clarity or sincerity she has, but I don’t think you hate America.     

Cheers.

Chance kickin' ass.

Good times.

     That's a real stroke of genius Chancellor, I suppose you could apply that approach to just about anything, Lewis Carroll would be honored...nicely done!

Losing!

     Once in a while I have a thought cross my mind I feel I should share with the group, at the risk of sounding as if I'm defending myself, which brings to mind the lyric "don't waste your breath to save your face", but for the sake of those who may possibly read these threads...if you guys knew the person you're accusing of racism you would certainly think it absurd, that's not to care about it one way or the other, but as a point of reference, there must be others out there that are being systematically accused of racism who just laugh at the absurdity of it all.  The universe has a way of balancing out imbalances, like natural laws of economics or physics, it's always in a state of rebalancing...anyways, the point I'm trying to make is eventually the pendulum will swing so far to the extreme of falsely accusing large swaths of America of racism that it may cause an interesting backlash from the falsely accused. 

     I get the "All roads lead to Rome" philosophy of taking any piece of writing and bulldozing through it to find any argument no matter how desperate, so please have at it!

     Have a beautiful evening!  

 > Cut and Run  *Reprise*

>> I get 

You get nothing, pleb.

     The point being...I'm pretty sure falsely accusing half the country +/- of racism isn't the path to victory you may think it is.  Does that make any sense?  Possibly not, but when they discuss this moment a hundred years from now, that may be how it's remembered.  

     Namaste 

^if you support, defend, or try to justify Trump's racism,  you are a racist.

     Lumber's a perfect example of the "broken record" approach of false accusations of racism, it's his only move on the board...he does little else.

Does a troll ever

                             answer the "gotcha" question?

This 

       one 

              does

#redditdeadheadfuckingtroll

If half the country supports a racist then yes (almost) half the country is racist,  including the person you see in the mirror

Blue = socialist

Red = communist

head red = monarchy ( other word for a totalitarian regime)

     https://youtu.be/viLaxu-uYlk

Nice effort people but you can't reason with bryen. He's his own kind of very special person.

The guy eats with a cork on his fork if ya know what I'm sayin' 

https://youtu.be/SKDX-qJaJ08​

You deserve nothing else,  Brayin'. 

Sure, you're not a racist,  you just try to justify Trump's racist attack. 

You are a loathsome,  fetid piece of trash. 

     Keep it real Lumber, love the intelligent discussion on various subjects, you're a real gem

I don’t think you’re racist, Bryen. Your ideas about what qualifies as “disdain” for and, conversely, “love” for this country smack of a sort of cheap fascism, but definitely not racism. 

Bryen, you've spouted some pretty fascinating stuff, I'd love to hang sometime for real, you still go to shows right?

     Chancellor, it's completely groovy, I understand the discussion points...and by the way, I don't think any of you are terrible people, but you're mistaken if you don't believe that at a certain level the "hatred of all things America" strategy is happenstance...it's a systematic, deliberate attack on the republic, you'd double over with laughter if you knew the irony of the charge of fascism, it's amusing.

Offer still stands....

     Edit*:  Chancellor, it's completely groovy, I understand the discussion points...and by the way, I don't think any of you are terrible people, but you're mistaken if you don't understand at a certain level the "hatred of all things America" strategy isn't happenstance...it's a systematic, deliberate attack on the republic, you'd double over with laughter if you knew the irony of the charge of fascism, it's amusing.

     * I should really get better at typing, I just crawled out of the wilderness 

  * Just need 72 hrs *

     T.O.D., if I'm out and about I'll let you know and the first 10 rounds are on me, cheers!

It could be the first official viva zoner meet and greet, or you could just ask Judit for my info and we can keep it personal...

Just need 72 hrs, should be fun!

     How's your golf game?

If you're thinking what I'm thinking, we should have a viva golf tourney...

Viva la golf, all and everybody are invited...right???

Are you Irish, Bry?

Also, if you don't mind me asking...

Are you low income earners who like to show up at the golf course as a single so you can get financial/life tips from wealthier more experienced white old dudes?

     There are great courses on both coasts, perhaps someday when Phil is playing bass we could hit the links 

both sides

Will this be a "whites only" course?   

     We'll be playing from the blue tees

  Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden 

Just seems so fitting that a thread about a spoiled rotten rich racist would lead to golf, one of the most exclusive sports...   

     It's the most beautiful game humans have ever created   

Baseball is the most exclusive of all sports.

  The golfer and the caddy....

"It's all coming home"

yapping with a troll farm is funny to watch, shift changes are fun

Change is partipation or voyeurism?

     This is a $14 car service from the Capitol Theatre, it's a friendly scene...they are super nice!

     https://youtu.be/K9oeDD0GLxU

     4.6 miles from Toranado, 547 Haight Street

     https://youtu.be/G1JK6uCVfp0

     Edit: Toronado 

     http://www.toronado.com

     https://youtu.be/1zKtPfX5xrg

     https://youtu.be/KZcENh93Lys

Is chancellor a woman? Just always wondered. 

     Bethpage Black, 45 miles from the Capitol Theatre 

     https://youtu.be/u8Lh45FnvWw

 '99 Phil run played 2 courses in tahoe, then...

tilden  ,

lincoln was xtreme fuck it golf.…

9, maybe an 8 once... W, SW * maybe an Adam tightlies 5 lay up feather flop*

total hacker 

     Pebble Beach Golf Links, 124 miles from John Lee Hooker's Boom Boom Room, 1601 Fillmore Street, San Francisco 

     https://youtu.be/6YrmRSEqOTo

"Inclusivity is the foundation that the Grateful Dead community is built on. All deadheads must stand up to racism as part of the ethos of the scene. Growing up Garcia isn’t just a fun rock and roll story, we’ve also experienced racism and discrimination because of that name. Stand in solidarity with the oppressed, fight for social justice."

>  Trixie Garcia

https://www.facebook.com/trixieg3/posts/10214944680952942

     https://youtu.be/e67T_kjc64A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loFDn94oZJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55s3T7VRQSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GcHlF1khnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSq8a22Vu78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=492YEJ3oyFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06CjWMm-BEA&feature=youtu.be

The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind

Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose.

Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster

https://youtu.be/Sk3sURDS4IA

   >>>>>I'm multitasking...what was the question?  Thanks 

Apparently not very well.

Nothing like a racist tweet(s) to get folks to stop paying attention to his pedophile past and resultant coverups   

>I'm pretty sure falsely accusing half the country +/- of racism isn't the path to victory you may think it is.  Does that make any sense? <

Falsely accuse? Heck, Republicans proudly proclaim their support for this racist President. 

Republican support for Trump rises after tweets attacking congresswomen: Reuters/Ipsos poll

The national survey, conducted on Monday and Tuesday after Trump told the lawmakers they should "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came," showed his net approval among members of his Republican Party rose by 5 percentage points to 72%, compared with a similar poll that ran last week.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/17/republican-support-for-trump-rises-after...

Yep and here is Republican  Kris Kobach who is running for office in Kansas

Cuomo then asked Kobach what he would do if Trump did openly claim to be a racist.

“Then I would not defend him,” Kobach responded. “Because there’s no excuse for racism in America.”

“Would you still support him as president?” Cuomo asked.

Kobach paused.

“You have to think about it?” Cuomo asked incredulously. “You have to think about whether or not you would support a racist? Really?”

“I’d have to know who was running against him,” Kobach finally said.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/kobach-say-vote-trump-admit-racist

 Among Republicans alone, however, 57% said they agreed with tweets that told the congresswomen to go back to their "original" countries, and a third "strongly" agreed with them. <

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/17/trump-tweets-pol...

More than half of Republicans who participated support Trump's racist attack.  

That's a whole lot racists 

You can call them xenophobes, if you like. 

However,  Trump doesn't attack white folks with the same vitriol and hatred. 

race relations have never been better in this country. ymmv

Chinese tourists suck 

Did the holy ground get mentioned in this thread?

guess they'll serve anybody there,

hell, they let me in and most of my friends

i'm still trying to find the "brown skinned" part of what trump said & i can't find it.

^stop being obtuse, Hillman, i believe that you know better. 

Did you catch Trump's Klan rally last night?