Go Jets!

Seems like an FU to his brother.

Which is fine.

No pun intended.

I hope the players bankrupt him.

J......E........T........S

GO JETS!

Players have a choice to go on the field for the anthem. No fine if they don’t, a fine if they do, but kneel.

I expect to see many missing faces during, and a lot of players come out after the anthem. That will make a huge statement.

Maybe it's all that brain damage?

I mean, those owners have been drinking booze and eating crap for decades.  Bound to have an effect.

SC

I just had a battle royal with my dad -- a Vietnam vet -- on this issue.  Trump hysteria has poisoned this country.  We're both us and we're both them.  At the end I had to say 'what in the fuck are we fighting about??'.

Anyone who thinks people should be forced to stand for the national anthem would probably be much happier living in places like N. Korea or China.

They are getting paid millions.

For what? To act like imbeciles?

God forbid they toed the company line.

>To act like imbeciles?<

Protesting police brutality and systemic racism is imbecilic? 

Dictated by POTUS ?

Thats a stretch.

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Its a real thing.

Oh, ok.

I guess a drop in revenue has nothin' to do with it.

You leftys are fighting a losing battle.

Mulemuzik, you believe that by protesting against police butality and against systemic racism the players are acting imbecilic?

smh

>> I guess a drop in revenue has nothin' to do with it. <

It absolutely does. On a recent drive through Kansas I was surprised to see an anti-NFL emblem and a "We Stand for the Anthem" billboard (mixed between the Pro-Jesus, anti-Abortion signs LOL). Its all a not so subtle dog-whistle that is racist based.

Its Football.

Not, ballerina.

Go protest in the street.

Play ball.

^Mulemuzik, ballerinas are protesting?

>Play ball

The protests take place pregame. Play is not interrupted.

So your answer is yes?  You believe that by protesting against police brutality and systemic racism the players are acting imbecilic?

Why are you shaking your head, Hillman? 

Nba has been doing this for years. There's been no hyper partisan/racist bullshit about that organization's practice. it's not forced, don't want to stand, wait until it's over then come out of the locker room. You're (not you personally tod) all about majority/popularity decisions except for this apparently

I don't think this policy has much of anything to do with Trump, NFL owners aren't scared of him, I think it has to do with selling soap and the general ignorance of many Americans.

The owners think the issue is affecting TV ratings and general popularity, which it may be (few things bring out the stupid like football) but most likely all this new policy will do is help keep the issue alive by motivating the players to find another way to make their statement.

One may think there is a time & place for such statements, and that makes for good discussion, but all Trump has done is make it more of a story.

The Warriors coach Steve Kerr sure didn't mince words when he commented on the subject...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA1-TXuw-PQ

Granted, I don't recall any NBA players participating in any anthem protests, but that type of real commentary sure is rare in professional sports.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with him, props to Steve Kerr for not being afraid to speak his mind.

Wow you sound like the guy I worked with who said revenue is down because of the anthem while at the same time telling me his son in college couldn't watch a playoff game because he didn't know one person who had cable. NFL revenue is down because they get fat contracts from cable companies and have refused to offer their product for streaming audiences. 

The calculations don’t even include the growing number of households that didn’t subscribe to a pay TV service in the first place, known as “cord nevers” rather than “cord cutters.” But in total, approximately 13.5 million households do not pay for traditional forms of TV service currently, the firm estimated. The 3.4% rate of decline in 2017 increased from 2% in the fourth quarter of 2016 and 1% a year before that. The trend is consistent with other surveys and data points. For example, 79% of households paid for traditional cable or satellite service in last year’s annual survey by the Leichtman Research Group, down from 84% three years earlier and the all-time peak of 88% in 2010.

Football fans (Americans)...

>>>Nba has been doing this for years. There's been no hyper partisan/racist bullshit about that organization's practice. it's not forced, don't want to stand, wait until it's over then come out of the locker room. You're (not you personally tod) all about majority/popularity decisions except for this apparently <<<

The NBA did not create their policy to stop players (mostly African-American) from protesting police brutality and systemic racism.  

NFL viewership is down because people are realizing that it a blood sport that results in the early death and disfigurement of a majority of its participants, who wants to be a part of that?

>I guess a drop in revenue has nothin' to do with it

What drop in revenue???  

People need to get their heads out of their asses. The NFL grossed more last season than any previous year.  

I hope the players protest and fuck whads continue to burn their shirts etc....   It's funny to see people get all red faced, burn their shirt that was funded by their SSI and hate on black dudes that work for a living. 

I proudly wear a "I Stand for the National Anthem" shirt, but I disrespect my flag and use it as a freakin' blanket to park my ass on?

That picture says a lot. Thanks for posting it, Lance.  

You missed something else slick. That fucking Jets fan is also drinking a beer with a straw. Wtf

Most of us work with people who may or may not share our moral and political convictions.  Most of us don't use our jobs as the platform to air our ideologies, we just go to work, bank our pay, and save our activism for our own spare time outside of our jobs.

Why should the entitled narcissists that most pro athletes are act any differently?  If you take the money for your job, then just stfu and do your job.

It's not quantum physics.

They were’nt talking. They were peacefully taking a knee.  People like you started running their mouths.  It’s certainly not even addition, never mind physics.  

Well, Herbal, let’s start with this. NFL jobs aren’t like yours and my jobs. I’m going to presume that you aren’t a professional athlete. 

For one, NFL players get drafted and told where to go play. Secondly, they are on TV doing their jobs. People purchase and wear jerseys bearing their name and also become familiar with these players through video games and commercials. It seems as if you are possibly confusing the players celebrity with them being “entitled narcissists”. 

At my job, I’m not required to stand at attention while a ridiculously large American flag is unfurled in front of me while our national anthem plays and TV cameras pan over me. 

If you’d like me to go on about racial inequality in the USA and how a disproportional amount of black men in our country are killed by law enforcement. I certainly can, but hopefully you get the point. 

Your false equivalence of comparing jobs is just that. I hope this helps. 

I get the anger at inequality, Bucky, but I don't feel the players should get a pass for protesting on their jobs.  They are welcome to quit their jobs if the boss' policies upset them.  

Who said the players are getting a pass? Two players, Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid, have been blackballed by the NFL. The President has called them “sons of bitches” and wondered if they should be expelled from our country for peacefully protesting police brutality. They have had their jerseys burned and been attacked on social media.

You seem to be under the impression that the players are gaining something from this and are getting some kind of “pass” on protesting which doesn’t make sense at all to me. 

Can you explain how they are getting a “pass” and why they would feel the need to quit their jobs over this? 

Paul Allen and his Seattle Seahawks didn't sign Kaepernick because they are pro- discrimination and police brutality, but because he could not promise to keep his activism off the playing field.  Every job has boundaries of what behavior is and isn't acceptable.  Kaepernick's choices about how to protest are a distraction for the team he plays for and not conducive to winning football games, the job he was being paid to do.  He wasn't being paid to be a social activist.  It's not surprising he is a workplace pariah. You can't put your own interests above the team, and he has.  It's his decision, and he gets to deal with the ramifications.

If Kaepernick was a legit QB, he would have a job.

Kaepernick was the perfect fit to be Russell Wilson's back-up.  He was just too big of a distraction for the Seahawks.

And he is dealing with the ramifications. The guy doesn’t have a job any more. 

Let me ask, what would be your preferred punishment for any NFL player who kneels during the national anthem? 

I get that. But, he is not in "football shape" any more. He simply isn't a relevant option for the QB position.

And while you guys are here talking about how Kaepernik isn’t worthy of a backup QB position, please tell me how you feel about Eric Reid not having a job? I’ll leave a link to his stats here so you can quickly form an opinion: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReidEr00.htm

Preferred punishment?

As long as the owners are paying the tab, they get to set the rules.  

The players who don't want to abide can go start their own league.

>>>>because he could not promise to keep his activism off the playing field.  

>>>>he is not in “football shape” any more 

which is it 

>>>Preferred punishment?

yeah, your preferred punishment. The owners have set the rule. You are the one who seems upset about all of this. What would you prefer they do #12? 

Kap has kept himself in decent enough shape, where if he got to shake off the rust in a training camp, he'd be fine.  Like I said, he was a good fit for Pete Carroll's offense.  If Tim Tebow was able to get himself close to the MLB after several years away from baseball, I'd think Kaepernick won't have as high barrier to climb.  

I'd like to see him get back in the league, and he and the rest of the players come to their senses on when, where and how to voice their grievances.

Adrian Peterson is trying to get a job in the NFL. He is not black balled, but will get a gig if any teams roster needs him.

Maybe you and Ned can sort out why Kap isn’t in the league. I’m going to return to sanity for now. 

The league/owners have given the players a choice.  They can stay in the locker room during the anthem.  If they don't, I could see them being ejected without pay for that game.

>> Maybe you and Ned can sort out why Kap isn’t in the league  <<

He's actively suing NFL teams right now for them allegedly "colluding" to keep him off rosters. This does not help your hire-ability.

>

Its Football.

Not, ballerina.

Go protest in the street.

Play ball.<<

yeah play fucking ball.

why do we need to be subjected to the whole rah-rah jingoistic national anthem at the sporting event to begin with?

And for that matter, all the fucking commercials.

War and Sports are both big business.

How many protests occurred in the off season? If they feel so strongly about it why protest only during the season? 

Why do we need to use tax payer money for football stadiums? 

Why are so many football fans also morons? 

Why won’t they protest only when, where and how I WANT THEM to protest???

Maybe if you all are so passionate about stopping the players from protesting during the national anthem, YOU CAN PROTEST

>If they feel so strongly about it why protest only during the season? <

because they are on TV, and that is the platform they have?

I'm all for them protesting, and support what they are protesting about. That doesn't make Kap a good QB, though.

Well that’s not how this started. No one really gives a crap about Kap. It’s about this: 

>>>why should the entitled narcissists that most pro athletes are act any differently?  If you take the money for your job, then just stfu and do your job.

NFL players, reform advocates kick off campaign on social justice

ALBANY, N.Y. -- What started when NFL players sparked a national discussion on racism and police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem will continue this week as current and former players meet with lawmakers and community officials in major cities across the Northeast.

The campaign began Tuesday in New York's state capitol, where New Orleans Saints linebacker Demario Davis -- representing the Players Coalition -- joined criminal justice reform advocates to lobby legislators to change what they believe are race-based disparities in the bail system.

We're using our platform and our space to do our part, to raise awareness [on] the social injustices that are going on in our country," said Davis, who signed last week with the Saints after playing for the New York Jets. "In New York, we're focusing on criminal reform. That's just a small piece in a big puzzle."

On Wednesday, former Ravens tight end Benjamin Watson will participate in a town hall-style session in Baltimore that will focus on police and community relations. On Thursday in Washington, D.C., Redskins cornerback Josh Normanwill head a group that will visit a local school to discuss education and economic advancement. On Thursday in Boston, New England Patriots safety Devin McCourty and former Pats star linebacker Willie McGinest will meet with key legislators.

One of the topics of discussion will be a bill that would raise the age within the juvenile justice system.

The week concludes Friday in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where Philadelphia Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins and former NFL wideout Anquan Boldin, among others, will participate in a Harvard University summit that will include panel discussions on criminal justice reform and related issues plaguing communities

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22849874/nfl-players-begin-legislativ...

That is a little of what players are doing, Hillman. No cameras there, though. That's why they protest before the game, they are on TV.  They are trying to create a national discussion about the issues of police brutality and systemic racism. But a bunch of white folks don't want to hear about it, so they pretend it is about respecting the flag.

>>>why should the entitled narcissists that most pro athletes are act any differently?  If you take the money for your job, then just stfu and do your job.

I disagree with the first sentence, but see the validity of the second. 1st Amendment rights prevent the government from putting you in jail for speech (with certain limits ie fire in a movie house, inciting riot, etc). 1A doesn't prevent you from getting fired for breaking a "company rule".

And the NFL has begun doing just that, as they have effectively blackballed Colin Kapernick, who either is or is not qualified to be a backup QB, and Eric Reid, who is quite capable of being an NFL defensive back. 

It’s going to be interesting to see how NFL fans react to owners bending the knee to the President. 

The NFL in particular has quite a plantation mentality when it comes to their players, a STFU and do your job mentality that I don’t agree with. They haven’t managed to negotiate any social mine-fields very well, and this is another example. 

Hey I forget, are you the good Ned or the bad Ned? I’d hate to be posting along with the bad Ned. 

TY

People have fought and died for the flag, and for people to have the right to vote                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

People also fought and died for the flag so people could have the freedom to sit and not vote                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Is it ok when only 50 to 60% of the population vote? Talk about disrespect, but they have that right.

Archie Bunker once said to the Meat Head " America,love it or leave it"