Democrats that "blame" people who didn't even vote for Trump
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Instead of turning on others who are seeking similar goals, why not take a closer internal inspection of the party and demand reform?
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Instead of turning on others who are seeking similar goals, why not take a closer internal inspection of the party and demand reform?
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it doesn't matter in this
it doesn't matter in this crazy country
the pendulum will swing back and some crazy leftist will be in office next
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The ones on this site think
The ones on this site think Hillary lost California.
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US presidential race, the
US presidential race, the biggest popularity contest in the country
who's going to reform that lol
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please explain why blame is
please explain why blame is in quotes
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I blame the 42% of eligible
I blame the 42% of eligible voters who didn't bother to show up at all.
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I blame the 42% of eligible
I blame the 42% of eligible voters who didn't bother to show up at all<<<
Not sure that I blame them, but certainly agree about the relative significance of those who didn't vote.
Still, when was the last time there was a news story about people who didn't vote being the "cause" of Trump coming to office?
... yet there are thousands of published "pieces" out there about how Bernie supporters or Jill Stein / Gary Johnson voters were somehow significantly culpable.
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please explain why blame is
please explain why blame is in quotes <<<
Just don't want to use too wide brushstroke for all Dems who have an opinion on the topic ... since they probably span a wide spectrum re: just how much "blame" can be attributed to third party voters.
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But you're right about the
But you're right about the extreme difficulty in reforming what amounts to a popularity contest in our current culture.
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Democrats blame everything on
Democrats blame everything on everyone. Hypocritical bs. Libertarians are the most normal of the electorate
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what is a libertarian ?
what is a libertarian ?
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I Blame (in order of
I Blame (in order of culpability):
1) the DNC.. bunch of corrupt fuck ups.
2) Hillary Clinton. Worst campaign in the 21st century so far.
3) the Republican hate machine. They created the culture of the trump supporter, through their relentless attacks on Obama, Hillary, facts & reality, etc.
a bunch of racist, hateful, old rich fuckers, who have the poor under-educated do their bidding. There’s a special place in hell for the masterminds behind the republican hate machine.
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usually the poor under
usually the poor under educated do the dems bidding
the times they are a changing
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Libertarians pretty much don
Libertarians pretty much don't care who's fucking who, they like to be left alone by government and generally like lower taxes and less regulation. They want a vibrant economy to benefit everyone.
These are broad generalizations but generally social issues all good, let our economy work, and let people have fun in their own way as long as they aren't hurting anyone else
Still drinking in Nola...
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I'm always confused how
I'm always confused how libertarians can be pro-life. Doesn't hands off mean hands off?
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>> I'm always confused how
>> I'm always confused how libertarians can be pro-life.
I don't know about individuals, but the Libertarian Party is clearly pro-choice:
1.5 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
https://www.lp.org/platform/
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Rand Paul is probably the
Rand Paul is probably the nation's most high-profile libertarian, except maybe for his dad before him, and they're both pro-life
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just don't harm other or
just don't harm others or commit fraud
seems so easy
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul
Randal Howard Paul (born January 7, 1963) is an American politician and physician who, since 2011, has been serving as the junior United States Senator representing Kentucky alongside Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. He is the son of former U.S. Representative Ron Paul of Texas.
Born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Paul attended Baylor University and is a graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine. Paul began practicing ophthalmology in 1993 in Bowling Green, Kentucky, and established his own clinic in December 2007. Throughout his life he volunteered for his father's campaigns. In 2010 he entered politics by running for a seat in the United States Senate. A Republican, Paul has described himself as a Constitutional conservative and a supporter of the Tea Party movement and has advocated for a balanced budget amendment, term limits, and privacy reform.
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I never knew his name was
I never knew his name was Randal.
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dude i got scared and thought
dude, i got scared and thought i googled wrong
lol
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Ok I blame
Ok I blame
1) the people who voted for trump
2. The electrical college
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I was pretty electric back in
I was pretty electric back in college too - so what? Weren't we all?
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>I was pretty electric back
>I was pretty electric back in college too - so what? Weren't we all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsspXqCe4kI
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>> A Republican, Paul has
>> A Republican, Paul has described himself as a Constitutional conservative and a supporter of the Tea Party movement and has advocated for a balanced budget amendment, term limits, and privacy reform.
Don't have to be a member of the capital l Libertarian party to have a libertarian philosophy -- two different things. If you scroll down in your article there --
So he's waffled a little, but he's certainly identified with the movement broadly
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hes a republican
hes a republican
end of story
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The Electoral College has got
The Electoral College has got to go. Realized today that it's just another example of gerrymandering. More votes go to one congressional candidate, but because of the way districts are made up, the other candidate wins. or, more votes go to one presidential candidate but because votes are counted by state, the other candidate wins.
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aren't libertarians just
aren't libertarians just republicans who like cannabis?
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Pretty much.
Pretty much.
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>The Electoral College has
>The Electoral College has got to go
what other parts of the constitution have to go?
iyo
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The Electoral College has got
The Electoral College has got to go. Realized today that it's just another example of gerrymandering.<<<
I agree there are significant issues regarding the electoral college as it stands as you've alluded to, and the outcome of this past presidential election is "exhibit A"; however, one can't ignore the fact that the U.S. started out with at least one foot in the door as a "nation of nations (states)". Migrating entirely to a form of federalism might subvert many of the checks and balances that are afforded by having a more empowered "state level".
Likewise, removing the EC takes a step in the direction of removing institutional buffers that may have been designed to temper or distill "popularism". Not suggesting the EC as it stands is serving such a role (electors did not brake ranks this past pres election), but I'm becoming more and more suspicious of popularist ebbs and flows. For example, reducing the term length of a Senator to 2 years would be a step in the wrong direction on this front IMO. So, basically just arguing for maintaining some of the general mechanisms embedded in the Constitution to distill popularism ... EC, as a potential instance of this sort of thing isn't necessarily something of substantial value on this front, but it does seem to take step in that direction.
And for the record: it wasn't too long ago that I believed a pure Direct Democracy is the "best route" ... but have abandoned that idea given how volitile any given slice in time can be with respect to popular opinion on matters.
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>> what other parts of the
>> what other parts of the constitution have to go?
A certain amendment comes to mind
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The electrical college.<<
The electrical college.<<
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what other parts of the
what other parts of the constitution have to go?<<<
Jefferson was a big proponent of the Constitution being re-written by every generation ... "the earth is for the living" was kind of the general sentiment.
He even went so far as to calculate the time frame of a generation to be 19 years ... and lays out the math to a letter to Madison.
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Even if you wanted to rewrite
Even if you wanted to rewrite the Constitution, it would still be a challenge to get rid of the electoral college for the same reasons it was created in the first place. All the "fly over states" still benefit from the system by giving them a voice in national politics. If it wasn't for that and the fact that ever state, big or small, gets two senators, small states like Wyoming and the Dakotas would be dominated by larger states like California and New York. Because 2/3 of the states have to adopt any amendments to the Constitution, it is unlikely that enough states will be onboard for an amendment that would dilute their political power and influence.
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if these guy rewrote the
if these guys rewrote the consultation America would look like a bad version of Venezuela
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rewrote the consultation
(((rewrote the consultation)))
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((small victories))
((small victories))
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((((Electricians))))
((((Electricians))))
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Trump's victory can be
Trump's victory can be analyzed ten ways from from Sunday, this, that, or the other thing.
All an energy suck and a waste.
The question is can coalition be achieved?
If not Fascist Amerikka for fifty years.
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Don't blame me, Virginia went
Don't blame me, Virginia went blue, Hillary won
I voted to Make America Great Again!!