Steal Your TIPS
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Trump is currently being sued for stealing workers tips, and now has directed the Labor department to legalize the practice of employers keeping server's tips.
next time you are dining out, ask your server if they keep their tips or have to split with management.
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>> Trump is currently being
>> Trump is currently being sued for stealing workers tips
Nope, she's suing a subcontractor, not Trump.
Deborah Garcia was a catering employee at Trump SoHo, a Manhattan hotel. The hotel slapped a 22 percent service charge on the bill for catered affairs. According to New York law, a service charge applied to the bill is considered a tip unless it explicitly says otherwise—which Ms. Garcia claims did not happen. The law also requires that any tip must go to employees, not the establishment. Ms. Garcia never got any of those tips, and so she’s suing for wage theft. She isn’t suing Trump directly because—remember the buffers—Trump SoHo uses a subcontractor to hire its catering staff.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/the-difference-between-im_b...
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FYI the Labor Dept is not
FYI the Labor Dept is not authorizing employer's to keep server's tips, it is allowing employers to pool the tips so that back of the house staff gets a share.
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The Black Widow was a
The Black Widow was a catering employee????
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
there is nothing to prevent
there is nothing to prevent owners and management from taking a cut of the tips if Trump changes the labor law.
HuffPo, eh Ender? Lol.
I'll raise you a Wonkette.
https://wonkette.com/599420/trump-sued-for-stealing-servers-tips-has-ach...
As reported by DNAInfo’s James Fanelli, on Feb. 13, 2015, a woman named Deborah Garcia filed a lawsuit in Suffolk County, New York against virtually everyone associated with Trump Soho, the Donald’s luxury hotel in New York City — including the Donald, his daughter Ivanka, and his son Donald Jr. — for “unlawfully retaining employees’ gratuities.” In other words, stealing workers’ tips.
Garcia worked as a banquet server at the hotel in 2013, and while she was paid an hourly wage, she did not receive tips.
“So what’s the big deal?” you might be saying. “Maybe people just weren’t tipping.”
Except, they were. They were actually required to: Customers’ bills included a mandatory 22 percent service fee, of which Garcia and the other workers never saw a damn dime. So while customers thought the employees were being tipped well, nah, the luckless servers were getting hosed.
“OK,” you might be saying now, because you just have to be that fucking guy. “That’s deceptive, douchey, and eminently Trumpesque, but it’s not against the law. Garcia can’t sue over it.”
Except, SURPRISE! It is, and she can.
New York is one of the (sadly far too few) states that actually put some thought into its tip theft laws, so employers are not allowed to retain ANY portion of anything that remotely looks like a gratuity. They have to clearly state on both a menu and a bill when any service charge for a banquet or special function is not a tip or gratuity, in 12-point font (the fact that 12-point font is actually specified in the law warms the cockles of our blackened hearts). And as the lawsuit states, “reasonable patrons would have understood the Service Charge to be in the nature of a gratuity.”
The Trump camp is claiming Garcia never worked directly for the hotel, but for a “third-party contractor,” you wouldn’t know her, she goes to another school:
“The lawsuit filed in 2015, is entirely a reflection of the responsibility of the third-party contractor. The plaintiff has never been a staff member of the Trump Soho Hotel. She was contracted by a third party but was never directly employed by Trump Soho Hotel.”
Read more at https://wonkette.com/599420/trump-sued-for-stealing-servers-tips-has-ach...
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>Nope, she's suing a
>Nope, she's suing a subcontractor, not Trump
#schooled
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>> there is nothing to
>> there is nothing to prevent owners and management from taking a cut of the tips if Trump changes the labor law.
Nothing except state law. (That's what Ms. Garcia was suing under.)
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Right, which is why the Obama
Right, which is why the Obama admin made the law to protect all workers, in all States.
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Laws aren't the same anymore.
Laws aren't the same anymore.
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Nancy hates back of house
Nancy exploits the financial losses of back of house workers for her own political gain.
#TIPS4BUSBOYS
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Right, which is why the Obama
I believe the Obama era law institutionalized cutting back of house workers out of tips completely by only allowing the person the gratuity was given to have it. That law also disallowed pooled tips among waitstaff.
With the amount of legitimate grips about Trump and his administration, there really isn't a need to create things that don't exist.
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under the Obama era rule
under the Obama era rule servers could tip the back staff, but it wasn't required. No forced tip pooling was allowed and management and owners could take the tips. Trump's Labor law would change that. I'm sure it has something to due with his current practices.
You're okay having your bill bumped by a 22 percent service fee and having it go in the owner's pocket?
And yeah, first world problems..unless you happen to work in a restaurant as a server and will see your income drop significantly.
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Plenty of BOH tips get stolen
Plenty of BOH tips get stolen by FOH waitstaff, just saying..if you want to tip fairly walk your tip to the kitchen or you can bet in most places they'll never see a penny.
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You really think that the
You really think that the tip a customer hands a server are supposed to reach the kitchen staff? that the person tipping wants the tip to subsidize a chef's salary?
Good idea to tip the chef directly if you want the money going there - most places you can just ask to speak to the chef and he/she will come to the table - you can provide a compliment and cash tip if you're so inclined. Most diners are tipping for good service, and expect the owner to pay the chef, while servers have always relied on tips.
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>> under the Obama era rule
>> under the Obama era rule servers could tip the back staff, but it wasn't required.
That's always the case. Once you are paid, you can give money to anyone.
If the tipper or employer truely wants busboys/dishwashers to get a tip share, the sure way to make that happens is to allow that distribution to happen legally.
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Ender promoting socialism?
Ender promoting socialism? WTF!
and you call yourself a libertarian. HAHA
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>> Ender promoting socialism?
>> Ender promoting socialism? WTF!
Tips are voluntary and I argued for removing an unnecessary federal regulation, not sure how that equates to socialism.
(And I'm not a libertarian.)
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....and , 90% of time , the
....and , 90% of time , the person cooking your food is not the restaurants salaried chef...it is a much underpaid, overworked (same as FOH , oveworked etc), hourly employee, who would greatly appreciate the gesture....its not even the money, its that you enjoyed their food so much that you asked for them to come to your table...a compliment tableside alone is worth tons...even help that poor SOB get up the next day and do it again...;)
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lol the chef? Uh no, but the
lol the chef? Uh no, but the dishwashers and sous chefs? Yes. They make considerably less than the chef and servers (who are supposed to share their tips with BOH, but rarely do). Believe it or not the servers just serve the food and get most of the credit in tip form. They don't do prep, plate, nor do they stay late to clean up.
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It has seemed to me for a
It has seemed to me for a long time now that salaries in eating establishments should be raised and tips discouraged.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Just so we're all on the same
Just so we're all on the same page about the new Trump regulation, or as Ender calls it, deregulation.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-labor-tipping/trump-administratio...
>...“By allowing employers to take control of their employees’ tips, this regulation would push a majority-women workforce ... further into financial instability, poverty, and vulnerability to harassment and assault,” she said in a statement.
A spokesman for the Labor Department said the agency had “conducted a qualitative analysis and encourages all stakeholders to provide data regarding the economic effects of the proposal.”
The department said its proposal would be formally published on Tuesday, kicking off a 30-day public comment period.
The rule has been criticized by industry groups who say tip pooling is necessary to address the compensation gap between servers, who have been earning more as food prices increase, and untipped colleagues in the kitchen.
But the Trump administration could face legal challenges from workers’ rights groups if it does away with the ban.
Christine Owens, the executive director of the National Employment Law Project, said in a statement the proposal did not indicate how much money tipped workers could lose if the rule is eliminated, which is required by federal law.
The U.S. Supreme Court is considering whether to review a challenge to the tip-pooling ban by the National Restaurant Association and other groups.
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nanc, you live in the bay
nanc, you live in the bay area, if you go out to eat at a decent sit down restaurant, the folks who are cooking your food are hardly making enough to live on, and oftentimes working 10+ hour days to do it.
while at most busy restaurants with mid-high prices, many servers are making GREAT money. a "service charge" that goes to BOH as well as FOH is much more fair, and puts more money in the hands of the underpaid folks who actually make the restaurant work, not just those who bring your food and have to deal with high maintenance customers. if people went out to eat for good service, mcdonalds would have five star waiters and charge $30 for a big mac.
in CA, where we have no tip credit, this would be a welcome equalizer. in states with a tip credit where tipped employees only make a few bucks an hour, it could be more problematic. we need to lift the ban on tip pooling, and remove the tip credit so that all employees, regardless of tips, are paid at least minimum wage by their employers. if your business cant afford $7.25/hr per person working there, something is wrong with your business.
i have no idea what any of this has to do with pushing women further into "harassment and assault". that was a sort of strange addition, seems like anywhere folks can give a shout out to harassment and assault these days they will, just to get people fired up, even if it makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with the subject being discussed.
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reading is fundamental...
reading is fundamental...
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just read another article and
just read another article and it seems this only applies to workers making minimum wage or above, so tipped workers making min wage - tip credit will not be effected.
would be nice to see it explicitly outlawed for owners to take any of the tips, but IME many people working as kitchen and front of house managers dont even make that much more than the average staff, at least in the less expensive kinda places. knowing what they make and how hard they work, i would be happy for my managers to take an equal portion of the tip pool.
in the end it should be incumbent on the employee to choose an employer who treats them well and pays them what they think is fair compensation.
i would think you would be all for this nancy...evening out a HUGE wage disparity in an industry with very high rates of poverty, mental illness, addiction, and that employs large amounts of immigrants and people of color, who are typically disproportionately in BOH jobs, earning significantly less. i would think this would be a good thing for liberals. or does it just piss you off cause trump's name is attached to it?
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>And I'm not a libertarian
>And I'm not a libertarian
im a libertarian socialist
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>i would think you would be
>i would think you would be all for this nancy.
you thought wrong.
I like good service and most experienced servers stick with the job of waiting tables for the high pay out - the tips. I get sharing tips with the the busboys to get those tables turned and tipping the bartender. Having to subsidize dish washers, the prep cooks and the chef's pay? No way. When I give a tip to a server, I expect that they will get to keep the majority of it. Not the server's fault that the establishment is short changing the kitchen staff. adding a "service charge" to the bill and seeing that money go to the the owner's pocket is a ruse. Fuck it, I'll just stop tipping altogether if the server I'm handing the money to doesn't get to keep it.
the restaurant owners could just pay ALL their staff all decent wages do away with tipping. but the service is going to suck even more than it already does.
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I like good service
I like good service
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
I don't suppose you've ever
No tips for Pool Boys. :(
I don't suppose you've ever waited on table, Daylight. Worked as a Bartender? A valet?
Can you imagine how long it would take you to get a drink if the Bartenders didn't get to keep their tips? It's the reason they hustle, and treat you nicely. Same goes for the servers.
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This broad. Lol.
This broad. Lol.
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Watch it Latex or I'll summon
Watch it Latex or I'll summon RRG to vanquish your sorry arse.
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This is the Minimum Wage
This is the Minimum Wage schedule for Oregon.
Date
Standard
Portland Metro
Nonurban Counties
January 1, 2016
$9.25
$9.25
$9.25
July 1, 2016
$9.75
$9.75
$9.50
July 1, 2017
$10.25
$11.25
$10.00
July 1, 2018
$10.75
$12.00
$10.50
July 1, 2019
$11.25
$12.50
$11.00
July 1, 2020
$12.00
$13.25
$11.50
July 1, 2021
$12.75
$14.00
$12.00
July 1, 2022
$13.50
$14.75
$12.50
July 1, 2023
Adjusted annually based on the increase, if any, to the US City average Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers
$1.25 over the standard minimum wage
$1 less than the standard minimum wage
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>>This broad. Lol.
>>This broad. Lol.
i know right
rather post about crypto and new music
i guess that makes me a hipster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGWW8KOQio
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More stuff.
More stuff, could be an accurate statement.
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Broad...lol
Broad...lol
Looks like Latex has been hanging around Mike W.
Meow.
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>>>
>>>>>>I believe the Obama era law institutionalized cutting back of house workers out of tips completely by only allowing the person the gratuity was given to have it. That law also disallowed pooled tips among waitstaff.
With the amount of legitimate grips about Trump and his administration, there really isn't a need to create things that don't exist.
Schooled again. Poor nanc
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i've been a busboy. 98% of
i've been a busboy. 98% of servers do not fairly distribute the tips.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Many in the restaurant biz
Many in the restaurant biz start as a busboy too, just for a few months and work their way up to server. It's a job with a lot of turnover because nobody wants to be a bussing tables for long if they can fin a job making more money in the biz - as a bartenders or servers. you know, while paying for school or waiting for a big Hollywood break.
And now Trump's proposed labor regulation allow restaurant management to take the tips that the staff earn. only because he is intent on undoing any progress Obama made. Trickle up?
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Let's face facts, Nancy. Most
Let's face facts, Nancy. Most people do NOT tip according to the level of service. They tip mostly because it is expected and they don't want to appear cheap. One may tip more because of great service though. Talking to many weight staff people over the years and in their own words, the weight staff that garners the most in tips is rarely the best wait staff. It is the most attractive wait staff, both male and female. I've heard it said more than a few times that the easiest way for a female wait staff to increase her tips is to open a button on their blouse. Sad but a reality.
It was mentioned above but management is not allowed to take pooled tips because of state law. As far as I can tell (did not read every states statues) the state denies tip money to any owner or supervisor. If they take it, they are breaking the law. That is why federal law does not need to address this issue. It has already been addressed.
As for individually tipping bus staff, sous chefs and the like, it will never happen. Most people don't even tip housekeeping at a hotel although most know they should. Nobody can see if they don't so the guilt level disappears.
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https://www.thenation.com
Yeah, this is not good for the workers. TIp your bartender...or don't bother if the owner is gonna pocket it.
https://www.thenation.com/article/do-you-trust-your-boss-to-share-your-t...
Under the proposed revision to federal wage regulations, employers would gain primary authority to control and redistribute tipped earnings, the same way they would, presumably, with any other regular business revenue. But labor advocates say this would open another pathway to steal tips that the worker earned through their individual service, based on the assumption that staff will ultimately be left with at least the minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
According to Raj Nayak, director of research at National Employment Law Project (NELP), the proposed reform simply means “employers will have the opportunity under federal law to say, as long as we pay you [the federal minimum wage], we can then take all of your tips, and we can redistribute them how we’d like or we can pocket them.”
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Restaurant owners should pay
Restaurant owners should pay their staff a real wage.
Tips should be gratuity for good service.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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its actually as i c it
its actually as i c it employers have controll over all tips made and can distribute as seen fit. I work with one bartender 3 nights a week. She hot and kills it on tips. Shes very generous to me maybe ill get 30 dollars out of 400$ if im lucky from her. it really sux and make me feel like shit, cuz i could really use an extra 200 a week, not your 30 fuckin dollars. at 22.50 an hour not after taxes i still barely make it. but i tip 20% ALWAYS!!!!
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>>>>>>> Looks like Latex has
>>>>>>> Looks like Latex has been hanging around Mike W.
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So based on a graph and so
So based on a graph and so called clinical research Oregon has come to find that in 2022 14. 25 will be acceptable while living in Portland? Pretty odd.