Thanks, you "Hillary & Trump are the same" people.
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Just a regular reminder that you people are the scum of the earth.
Gorsuch, for the next 50 years.
Bear's Ears, raped for eternity.
Grand staircase, raped for eternity.
for starters.
Tax "cuts" that raise my taxes by 5 figures, and I'm at least $250 k from the top 1%.
Next on the GOP agenda, stealing Social Security and Medicare.
But hey, Bernie's a dreamboat.
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*insert crying baby picture*
*insert crying baby picture*
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rust belt motherfuckers!
rust belt motherfuckers!
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>> Next on the GOP agenda,
>> Next on the GOP agenda, stealing Social Security and Medicare.
They can't steal what isn't yours:
There has been a temptation throughout the program's history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense. That is to say, if a person makes FICA contributions over a number of years, Congress cannot, according to this reasoning, change the rules in such a way that deprives a contributor of a promised future benefit. Under this reasoning, benefits under Social Security could probably only be increased, never decreased, if the Act could be amended at all. Congress clearly had no such limitation in mind when crafting the law. Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress." Even so, some have thought that this reservation was in some way unconstitutional. This is the issue finally settled by Flemming v. Nestor.
In this 1960 Supreme Court decision Nestor's denial of benefits was upheld even though he had contributed to the program for 19 years and was already receiving benefits. Under a 1954 law, Social Security benefits were denied to persons deported for, among other things, having been a member of the Communist party. Accordingly, Mr. Nestor's benefits were terminated. He appealed the termination arguing, among other claims, that promised Social Security benefits were a contract and that Congress could not renege on that contract. In its ruling, the Court rejected this argument and established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not contractual right.
https://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html
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lmao you need a hobby.
lmao you need a hobby.
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So, ender,
So, ender,
I suppose preservation of wilderness is low on your priority scale?
I suppose in libertarian heaven*, wilderness gets to be raped by the Putin with the
biggest armymost money.*Ayn Rand Rules.
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This should be a fun one
This should be a fun one
All comes down to whether you think your vote (1) is about picking the candidate that most aligns with your values, and not voting if there isn't one, or instead (2) that it's about protecting the vulnerable and voting against the candidate who will harm them. I do wish more on the left felt it was the latter.
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>> I suppose preservation of
>> I suppose preservation of wilderness is low on your priority scale?
No, my wife worked for a land trust for many years preserving wetlands.
Sincerely,
Scum of the Earth Bernie Voter
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I guess I missed Hillary's
I guess I missed Hillary's pledge to protect Bears Ears...Oh wait! Her bag is fracking.
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How can libertarianism be
How can libertarianism be reconciled with federal wilderness?
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Does this have something to
Does this have something to do with Roy Moore voters?
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>> How can libertarianism be
>> How can libertarianism be reconciled with federal wilderness?
It probably can't be. LP hates this sort of thing.
However, my local state park generates a surplus of funds every year. Entry fees, camping spot rentals, and, especially, the water park, etc are enough to cover the nut. There are nice private parks in my area too.
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Crazy steve has sand in his
Crazy steve has sand in his pussy hat again.
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>>> guess I missed Hillary
>>> guess I missed Hillary's pledge to protect Bears Ears...Oh wait! Her bag is fracking.
so basically, Clinton is no different than Trump?
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>>> camping spot rentals,
>>> camping spot rentals, and, especially, the water park, etc are enough to cover the nut
sounds like a wonderful wilderness.
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Did Hillary call for bombing
Did Hillary publicly call for bombing Syria the same day trump bombed Syria this year? Yes or no?
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she was too busy blaming the
she was too busy blaming the world for ruining her ascension to her rightful throne
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I think the 60,000 Haitians
I think the 60,000 Haitians that are going to be deported are going to be thanking Jill Stein voters for standing up for their principals on the way back to Haiti
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Incorrect, hillman, she also
Incorrect, hillman, she also made time to demand we bomb Syria.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-hillary-clinton/hillary-clinto...
..and trump did just that.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index...
omg they're so different! GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Lol Jill Stein didn't get
Lol Jill Stein didn't get enough votes to harm clinton or trump's chances.
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64.9% of Utah is federal land
64.9% of Utah is federal land. 2nd most of any state. They are losing 1/17 of their total federal land area.
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did op vote hrc in primary?
did op vote hrc in primary?
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They are the same their two
They are the same their two absolutely terrible candidates with the lowest favorable ratings in election history. It that way Weird HRC lover is correct.
#BernieStrong
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>> Lol Jill Stein didn't get
>> Lol Jill Stein didn't get enough votes to harm clinton or trump's chances.
Just false
Wisconsin
Trump Margin -- 22,748
Jill Stein votes -- 31,072
Michigan
Trump Margin -- 10,704
Jill Stein votes -- 51,463
Pennsylvania
Trump Margin -- 44,292
Jill Stein votes -- 49,941
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Just a regular reminder that
Just a regular reminder that you people are the scum of the earth<<<
Again, casting blame on those who voted for someone other than Hillary or Trump is akin to blaming people who don't "play by the book" at the black jack table for one's hand going south.
What about the people that didn't vote at all, are they "better" or "worse"?
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dice was right
dice was right
this steve guy just cant deal with reality
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OP's butthurtedness makes me
OP's butthurtedness makes me laugh.
Oh yeah.....I like the Bernster and despised Clinton!
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>> Tax "cuts" that raise my
>> Tax "cuts" that raise my taxes by 5 figures, and I'm at least $250 k from the top 1%.
I'm EXTREMELY confident you've made more in the market in the past year than future tax losses. And you've commented on how the tax cut affects equity evaluations. The corporate tax cut has net financially benefited you. It's silly for you to play victim.
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Ender, your state park sounds
Ender, your state park sounds like ass.
Dise is still trying to convince us that HRC was as bad as Trump so I'll vote Jill position wasn't a fucking an eejit pawn of the trolls you got PLAYED position. On the other hand, here we are. HRC sucked. She's out. So how about we move forward and stop letting her into the conversation? She would have been shitty, just not this shitty.
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>Dise is still trying to
>Dise is still trying to convince us that HRC was as bad as Trump so I'll vote Jill position wasn't a fucking an eejit pawn of the trolls you got PLAYED position. On the other hand, here we are. HRC sucked. She's out. So how about we move forward and stop letting her into the conversation? She would have been shitty, just not this shitty
can some translate this into English
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lol Alias you know my vote
lol Alias you know my vote didn't count at all in this state, and I didn't start the thread, but ok...
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<<<and I'm at least $250 k
<<<and I'm at least $250 k from the top 1%.
not so humblebrag.
and a funny little lash out at Bernie at the end of the OP.
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Oh, and just a regular
Oh, and just a regular reminder that mannfred said to get out of Bitcoin at $900 back on the old zone and was running around like chicken little election night blaming "Bernie Bros from VA" for the downfall of western civilization precisely at the moment it was going blue.
so, grain of salt and all.
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whats this mannfred's problem
whats this mannfred's problem?
guy seems a little cray about being right on the internet and he just keeps proving how wrong he is
its fun to watch
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Would Hillary get her own
Would Hillary get her own Gestapo? Oh right, she doesn't need to because she IS the Deep State!!!!
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-private-spies-deep-state-735091
>...The proposal of a private clandestine network appeared rooted in distrust the current administration had for the intelligence community. Top political donors to Trump were reportedly asked to help finance operations before any agreement was reached.
“Pompeo can’t trust the CIA bureaucracy, so we need to create this thing that reports just directly to him,” a former senior U.S. intelligence official with “firsthand knowledge” of the proposal told The Intercept.
“It is a direct-action arm, totally off the books,” the official also said. “The whole point is this is supposed to report to the president and Pompeo directly.”...
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weird steve, nancy.
weird steve, nancy.
nancy, weird steve...
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Blaming this on the Hillary
Blaming this on the Hillary bashers and the Bernsters won't change anything. Lets hope we see a unified front against the GOP in three years or we will all be doomed, hopefully lesson learned.
The hillbots and the bernbots need to bury the hatchet and unify. The baskets of deplorables won't be going away anytime soon.
As a big Hillary supporter i will admit this, we need less Hillary and more Bernie at this point.
Where are Thom and Seadoggie, can we get them in here and gang up on them for practice in 2020.
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Fog,
I'll always remember Hillary as Family Circle’s First Lady Cookie Cook-Off winner, not as a two time failed presidential candidate or criminal.
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maybe we need to focus on the
maybe we need to focus on the dumb-asses who vote republican who are not 1%ers?
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The Trump base knows nothing
The Trump base knows nothing but Black prez, Mexicans, Muslims.
GOP: getting poor white men to vote against their own self interest since Reagan.
As to the left "coalition" this thread illustrates the crabs in a bucket metaphor as well as anything I've ever seen.
Youre gonna keep getting what you deserve until you learn how a power coalition is built.
Gen Xers, Trump will be coming for your SS and Medicare next year after Sessions takes your pot away.
SCOTUS has fucked Muslims, gays next.
World aflame.
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>> Gen Xers, Trump will be
>> Gen Xers, Trump will be coming for your SS and Medicare next year after Sessions takes your pot away.
Medicare and SS had shortfalls long before Trump came into office. Remember, in 2005, when W wanted a bi-partisan solution to shore up SS? The Democrats refused to debate the issue.
I'm glad your generation is getting what was promised, but there is no way GenX ever was, no matter who was elected in 2016.
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Oh right didn’t W want to put
Oh right didn’t W want to put all of the social security money into the stock market? I DO remember that $300 check I got! It went to booze, weed and a hooker. I might have gone to the movies too.
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>>>>takes *your* pot
>>>>takes *your* pot
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>> Oh right didn’t W want to
>> Oh right didn’t W want to put all of the social security money into the stock market?
He was willing to negotiate any fix that would make it solvent. He didn't have any partners on the other side of the aisle. Obama punted on SS for 8 years.
From W's State of the Union 2005:
Fixing Social Security permanently will require an open, candid review of the options. Some have suggested limiting benefits for wealthy retirees. Former Congressman Tim Penny has raised the possibility of indexing benefits to prices rather than wages. During the 1990s, my predecessor, President Clinton, spoke of increasing the retirement age. Former Senator John Breaux suggested discouraging early collection of Social Security benefits. The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan recommended changing the way benefits are calculated.
All these ideas are on the table.
I know that none of these reforms would be easy. But we have to move ahead with courage and honesty, because our children's retirement security is more important than partisan politics.
I will work with members of Congress to find the most effective combination of reforms. I will listen to anyone who has a good idea to offer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/bushtext_02020...
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> $300 check I got! It went
> $300 check I got! It went to booze, weed and a hooker. I might have gone to the movies too. <
wow, movies and hookers are cheap by you....
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( crabs in a bucket )
( crabs in a bucket )
We need a few more Trump fluffers up in here, Ender is just not cutting the mustard.
Paging Thom !!!!
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Yeah I can get a movie and a
Yeah I can get a movie and a hooker for around 162.50 in these parts
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>> We need a few more Trump
>> We need a few more Trump fluffers up in here, Ender is just not cutting the mustard.
Someone is grumpy! Is your blood sugar low? Have a cookie and remember the good times.
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<<<<He was willing to
<<<<He was willing to negotiate any fix that would make it solvent. He didn't have any partners on the other side of the aisle. Obama punted on SS for 8 years.
One issue Bush didn't have a partner but for 8 years Obama didn't have a partner on everything. Why only the excuse for Bush??
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>> He was willing to
>> He was willing to negotiate any fix that would make it solvent. He didn't have any partners on the other side of the aisle. Obama punted on SS for 8 years.
Obama and Boehner were very close to a grand bargain on entitlement reform, but it fell apart with both side blaming the other for moving the goalposts. Can't say the effort wasn't there though:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/29/john-boehner-trump-ho... (search for "grand bargain")
Of course the Bernie folks would have been apoplectic
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((( BUBBA )))
((( BUBBA )))
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All joking aside, it's sad we
All joking aside, it's sad we're so partisan we've lost the ability to compromise.
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Don't blame Dems for that.
Don't blame Dems for that. Asymmetric polarization is real: https://news.wgbh.org/2017/03/15/politics-government/major-new-study-sho...
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> it's sad we're so partisan
> it's sad we're so partisan we've lost the ability to compromise
yep
identity politics
sad world
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https://www.splcenter.org
The Trump admin is winning on Hate. I know we all should be more tolerant of Hate, right?! if only minorities would compromise more on their rights.
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-in-the-white-house-november
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>>identity politics
>>identity politics
All politics is identity politics
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no today you are either a dem
no, today you are either a dem or rep
independents and libertarians dont count
just ask around
it goes to ender's point of no compromise