Net Neutrality

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Not sure if this has been discussed here yet but it should be. 

https://www.battleforthenet.com/

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Yeah, terrible. Mainstream media blackout on the subject.People are too concerned about what trump said about some bullshit or who’s penis Kevin spacey touched ten years ago.

Maddow touched on it for a split second, talking about the push back on the subject.

 

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I think it's mainly about large telecom monopoly. Startups will have a much harder time competing. Just look at who supports this and how much money they're spending. Then you'll understand who will benefit. 

If FCC dismantles it, and you get internet from Verizon, they may force you to use YAHOO as your search engine (because they own it), but PAY to use GOOGLE. 

 

If you think that Trump appointees and deregulation might not be good for you..... 

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-net-neutrality-201...

 

What the End of Net Neutrality Means for You

Jacob Kleinman

Yesterday 2:13pm

Filed to:NET NEUTRALITY

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We knew it was coming, but on Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai announced his plan to gut net neutrality and hand over control of the internet to service providers like Comcast, AT&T and Verizon (which also happens to be Pai’s former employer).

The new plan, titled the “Restoring Internet Freedom Order” promises to end government “micromanaging” of the internet in exchange for added transparency from service providers. However, it’s also ready been widelycriticized for removing the consumer protections passed by the FCC in 2015.

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The FCC is set to vote on the proposal on December 14, and it’s expected to pass thanks to a 3-to-2 party split favoring the Republicans. It’s not too late to save the free and open internet, but if you’re having trouble understanding or explaining exactly what the end of net neutrality means (and why it’s a problem), here are a few key ways that Pai’s plan could affect you.

Slower Speeds (Or Worse) For Some of Your Favorite Sites

Without net neutrality, internet providers will have the freedom to carve up the internet into slow and fast lanes—and charge companies for access to higher speeds. For smaller startups that can’t afford to pay extra, this could be a death sentence. Even bigger tech giants like Netflix and Amazon may not be willing to pay extra, resulting in slower streaming speeds for some of your favorite shows.

Comcast and Verizon also have media properties of their own (Comcast owns NBC while Verizon owns Yahoo and AOL, to name a few). Without net neutrality, service providers could easily prioritize their own content over competitors. They could even block access to other sites that are critical of them or pose a competitive threat.

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Higher Prices

If a company like Netflix does agree to pay extra fees, it’s likely those prices will passed on to you, the consumer. That goes for pretty much every streaming service, along with cloud storage or any other service you pay for online.

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The end of net neutrality could even raise the price of video games, especially for those played online. Service providers like Comcast and Verizon may decide to charge extra for the ability to connect to a game server, and that price could be tacked on to future games. You might even end up paying an extra fee for every hour of online gaming.

Cable-Style Internet Bundles

One of the top reasons people keep quitting cable in favor of online streaming is because of bundles that force you to pay for 30 (or 300) extra channels when all you want is HBO or ESPN. Killing net neutrality could bring the same business practice to the internet, forcing you to choose between different tiered bundles depending on the sites you need.

That might be fine if you can get by on a cheap and limited bundle, but for most people it will mean paying extra for apps and services they don’t care about. In the future, getting access to Netflix or even Google Search could mean upgrading to a more expensive plan, unless you’re happy using your internet provider’s own crappy alternatives.

I understand what it means. 

I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. I don't make as much money as Al Franken.

 

Making as much money as Al Franken will not make you smart.

Two super large entities fighting over market share. Decentralize the net

Here’s a net-neutrality/library analogy: 

So, remember that time you were like "fuck yeah, im going to the library!" and we all got in the car and we got there. 

The librarian was super helpful in helping you navigate the Dewey decimal system, but when you went to check out some books, she started charging you more for certain books. Like, for no reason other than because she wanted to. 

You were like "woah dude, this is a library, these books shouldn't be priced differently based on their content!" to which she said "Tough. Nothing stopping me. You can read these books that align with my ideological and political leanings for $5, or you can read this book that I authored for free. But these books that I don't want you reading? $20."

Sadly, your broke ass didn't have $20 so you didn't get the books you wanted and you took the books you were offered for free. The entire drive home, you were mad that you had to pay more for access to something that you didnt have to before. You then said "why dont we just go to that other library across town" to which i had to remind you "dude, we only have ONE library that services our area. There is another library, sure. And that library may even have a better selection. But the problem is that you dont live in the right area so that librarian wont even let you check out books. And even then there is no guarantee that she wont charge you whatever she wants as well."

 

 

Depends  actually more upon what content is available from the source or,  censored like in China / NK / Myanmar.  Of course content providers and middlemen will continue to price-gouge.

Just got a new & cheap LG fone.  It is on 'Boost Mobile'  and gets a good signal (Sprint network)  here in the boonies.  For 35 bucks a month,  I get 6 GB of data.  They allow (and enable) 'tethering'  so the fone is also a modem / router / WiFi hotspot.

It works better than the old LG fone,  which used Verizon network.  Pulls a good 4G LTE signal,  unlike the older one that I broke.  That one flittered between 4G and 3G at random times.  

So it is good  enough for basic internet,  chat boards or email,  and uTube / Mixlr streams.  If you have good Sprint coverage in your area,  'Boost mobile'  is a nice cheap option (for now).

Obviously,  you will need more Bandwidth and work-arounds if you must have HD sports games and such.

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>>> The librarian was super helpful in helping you navigate the Dewey decimal system, but when you went to check out some books, she started charging you more for certain books.

 

dude, that's not a librarian.  you're in a bookstore

>>>>> The librarian was super helpful in helping you navigate the Dewey decimal system, but when you went to check out some books, she started charging you more for certain books.

dude, that's not a librarian.  you're in a bookstore

 

yeah, that’s the point it should all be “free”

High note is on it. The net is pretty much being handed to the attandt/Verizon Comcast. Now you’re gonna get hit with a premium at every corner for everything and they’ll control what you watch if you don’t pay up.

love all the intelligent responses 

 

yeah the crazy condom fails post has probably been my most thought provoking contribution to the zone in awhile, thanks for noticing.

what would BK say

NY State Attorney trying to investigate the FCC's and getting stonewalled. 

Eric Schneiderman

Official Medium account of New York State Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman.

Nov 21

An Open Letter to the FCC:

Dear FCC Chairman Ajit Pai:

As you recently announced, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), under your leadership, soon will release rules to dismantle your agency’s existing “net neutrality” protections under Title II of the Communications Act, which shield the public from anti-consumer behaviors of the giant cable companies that provide high-speed internet to most people. In today’s digital age, the rules that govern the operation and delivery of internet service to hundreds of millions of Americans are critical to the economic and social well-being of the nation. Yet the process the FCC has employed to consider potentially sweeping alterations to current net neutrality rules has been corrupted by the fraudulent use of Americans’ identities — and the FCC has been unwilling to assist my office in our efforts to investigate this unlawful activity.

Specifically, for six months my office has been investigating who perpetrated a massive scheme to corrupt the FCC’s notice and comment process through the misuse of enormous numbers of real New Yorkers’ and other Americans’ identities. Such conduct likely violates state law — yet the FCC has refused multiple requests for crucial evidence in its sole possession that is vital to permit that law enforcement investigation to proceed.

In April 2017, the FCC announced that it would issue a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking concerning repeal of its existing net neutrality rules. Federal law requires the FCC and all federal agencies to take public comments on proposed rules into account — so it is important that the public comment process actually enable the voices of the millions of individuals and businesses who will be affected to be heard. That’s important no matter one’s position on net neutrality, environmental rules, and so many other areas in which federal agencies regulate.

In May 2017, researchers and reporters discovered that the FCC’s public comment process was being corrupted by the submission of enormous numbers of fake comments concerning the possible repeal of net neutrality rules. In doing so, the perpetrator or perpetrators attacked what is supposed to be an open public process by attempting to drown out and negate the views of the real people, businesses, and others who honestly commented on this important issue. Worse, while some of these fake comments used made up
names and addresses, many misused the real names and addresses of actual people as part of the effort to undermine the integrity of the comment process. That’s akin to identity theft, and it happened on a massive scale.

My office analyzed the fake comments and found that tens of thousands of New Yorkers may have had their identities misused in this way. (Indeed, analysis showed that, in all, hundreds of thousands of Americans likely were victimized in the same way, including tens of thousands per state in California, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and possibly others.) Impersonation and other misuse of a person’s identity violates New York law, so my office launched an investigation.

Successfully investigating this sort of illegal conduct requires the participation of the agency whose system was attacked. So in June 2017, we contacted the FCC to request certain records related to its public comment system that were necessary to investigate which bad actor or actors were behind the misconduct. We made our request for logs and other records at least 9 times over 5 months: in June, July, August, September, October (three times), and November.

We reached out for assistance to multiple top FCC officials, including you, three successive acting FCC General Counsels, and the FCC’s Inspector General. We offered to keep the requested records confidential, as we had done when my office and the FCC shared information and documents as part of past investigative work.

Yet we have received no substantive response to our investigative requests. None.

This investigation isn’t about the substantive issues concerning net neutrality. For my part, I have long publicly advocated for strong net neutrality rules under the Title II of the Communications Act, and studies show that the overwhelming majority of Americans who took the time to write public comments to the FCC about the issue feel the same way while a very small minority favor repeal.

But this isn’t about that. It’s about the right to control one’s own identity and prevent the corruption of a process designed to solicit the opinion of real people and institutions. Misuse of identity online by the hundreds of thousands should concern everyone — for and against net neutrality, New Yorker or Texan, Democrat or Republican.

We all have a powerful reason to hold accountable those who would steal Americans’ identities and assault the public’s right to be heard in government rulemaking. If law enforcement can’t investigate and (where appropriate) prosecute when it happens on this scale, the door is open for it to happen again and again. 

I encourage the FCC to reconsider its refusal to assist in my office’s law enforcement investigation to identify and hold accountable those who illegally misused so many New Yorkers’ identities to corrupt the public comment process. In an era where foreign governments have indisputably tried to use the internet and social media to influence our elections, federal and state governments should be working together to ensure that malevolent actors cannot subvert our administrative agencies’ decision-making processes.

Sincerely,
Eric T. Schneiderman

CC:

Mignon Clyburn, Commissioner
Michael O’Rielly, Commissioner
Brendan Carr, Commissioner
Jessica Rosenworcel, Commissioner
Thomas M. Johnson, Jr., General Counsel
David L. Hunt, Inspector General

Net Neutrality

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Internet

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Eric Schneiderman

Official Medium account of New York State Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman.

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Bots. 

>>what would BK say

Considering the amount of time you spend bashing him - why would you care what he would say?

 

Keep spreading those positive thoughts - it really shines a light on what your world away from the dbmb must be like.

 

 

> it really shines a light on what your world away from the dbmb must be like.

dude, you wrote atiex's name in the sand on your vacation and sent him a picture of it (spelled wrong too)

so yeah keep telling me about my life away from this place 

lol

Keep telling you? This was the first time I mentioned it.

I spelled his name wrong? Darn it - should have used spell check. lol

Thanks for letting me know you and he share pictures.

 

keep trying to be relevant in a world that has left you behind  

 

I'm not trying to be relevant - just having some fun. Happy Thanksgiving, brochaho.

merry christmas 6

>>>>>you wrote atiex's name in the sand on your vacation and sent him a picture of it (spelled wrong too)

 

I see you spelled it wrong as well.

good for you 

is that a win?

I didn't know we were competing. Just an observation.

sorry surf i though you were 6

Well, if 6

Turned out to 9

I don't mind

>>is that a win?

Oh my. You seem a little tense. Try thinking less about being relevant and more about just relaxing..