and the biggest joke yesterday wasnt even it Pittsburgh..(which was bad enough), but the "index card" first down measurement in Oakland Dallas game was beyond ridiculous.
I have never seen that index card trick before and hope I don't again. Where the fuck did that come from? Which official keeps an index card in his pocket for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity?
steelers and raiders both made the same mistake, and would have had a better chance of winning if they'd kicked the field goal and gone to OT. instead both wanted one more try for the TD and blew it.
The index card made the ref look like a complete idiot and will likely lead to his getting the boot.
His lame excuse after the game was that he had already decided visually that the ball was touching the stick (which it wasn't) and that he used the FOLDED card to "confirm" his decision. But clearly even the doubled card slid between the ball and the stick, so what that doofus was thinking is beyond imagination.
There are so many bizarre and ticky-tack calls in the NFL these days that the refs/the league can justify by the endless technicalities of the rules, but that card deal was just inexplicable, and the pool reporter who gets to interview the refs after games said he had to wait to speak with the guy because he was on the phone and it looked like he was getting chewed out by someone.
Ultimately though it looked to me that the Cowboys got a bad spot on the previous play and they would certainly have challenged, and they may well have gotten the first down anyway, but that was one ugly moment for the refs, and yet another punch in the gut for the Las Vegas Raiders.
In the BA today the Raiders fan old standby cries of "CONSPIRACY!" have been dusted off, and this adds another epic bad moment to the Raiders losing lore. They can now add "The Card" to "The Tuck" in their bag of endless whine.
As to the OP, it's hard to bet against Brady & the Pats (14 division titles in 15 years is just crazy) but the Jaguars may just blow everyone's minds in the post-season. They play NASTY defense, and defense wins championships.
For me & my 49ers, I'm beginning to think Jimmy Garoppolo can solve all the worlds problems & cure sick children with a simple touch of his hand.
I doubt he's as good as he's played so far, but damn, so far he's been FUCKING GREAT!
It wasn't a catch and "football move" is no longer part of the rules. The ground can cause an incompletion. Actually that is kind of the definition of an incomplete pass.
what jesse james (pitt tight end) shouldve done ....
instead of diving over plain w ball down, he should have raised it up as if "presenting" it to incoming Patriot to his left...patriot defender would have knocked it loose.....and if he had???
i guarantee that they would called it a td, sayin he broke the plain...(but, of course, how could he when he didnt have possession??? ...bullshit, i say!!..)
hey, maybe the bills or dolphins will beat the Pats in next two weeks...or....ahhhh, fuck it...steelers (and all) gotta go thru foxboro...again
what makes it even more confusing in yesterday's particular case is that 1) his knee touches ground but nobody touches him, and 2) the ball moves across the goal line prior to the end of the play. But in this case, the ball moving across the goal line isn't a touchdown, because at that moment the play isn't over yet!
Mike Pereira said it simply enough- the ground is ABOVE all when deciding.
People say a receiver had two feet, had possession, his knee hit, his butt hit, made a move, etc, etc
NONE of that matters if the ball comes out when the ball comes out from hitting the ground during a catch.
Regardless of the TD call once the play clock started running again the ball should have been immediately spiked, clock stopped and field goal team on the field. I still don't understand wtf happened. TV coverage is so unbelievably bad that I'm sure I must have missed a down.
The Jets/Saints game was completely out of whack. I saw the same touchdown 8 minutes apart on the same broadcast.
ya, jonas, you missed two plays...lol...or at least one..short pass to heyward bey, that nobodies talkin about...as a Steeler fan, it was a stupid ass call, as he had no chance of getting out of bounds, setting up this mad scramble play...etc...had they thrown to sideline, or incomplete on that play...they woulda had a full clock to make decision
Guy catches ball with both feet on the ground, turns around (football "move"?), breaks plane, should be a touchdown and dead ball at that point.
What's next, a guy gets in to endzone, spikes ball, and the refs call it a fumble? I don't get it. The NFL needs to dial in the catch rule(s) STAT. <<<
Totally agree.
If it was a running play and the running back did the same thing it would have been a touchdown.
Regarding marking the football in NFL games, it is pretty ridiculous how inaccurate it can be given that they also go over receptions like it’s the Zapruder film.
That being said, I stand by the fact that the head referee last night, Gene Steratore, a fine individual and experienced NFL referee as well as an NCAA basketball referee, will not be “getting the boot”, even if all of your Bay Area panties are in a twist. That’s not the way things work back in reality.
>>>That’s not the way things work back in reality<<<
That ref may well not get the boot, since unfortunately actual quality doesn't really matter in the "reality" of the NFL. But, while so many of the strange and maddening NFL rulings can be explained away by the endlessly arcane definitions of the rules, there is no rule or plausible explanation about using a folded card to determine a first down, so in that situation your Mr. Hero exposed not only himself as a fool & a liar but far more importantly he exposed the league to ridicule, which the Big Suits in charge certainly do not like.
I base my personal opinion that the doofus in question might get the boot on how amateurish that move was, plus on what the pool reporter said was what clearly looked like that ref getting ripped on a phone call before his required interview. Who would he be talking to at that point except his masters?
But of course you're probably right Wisconsin; hoping for a standard of quality is too much to hope for (look at who is the President of the United States, after all) so that doofus probably won't get the boot, but he most definitely exposed himself as a fool & a liar and by association he also exposed the league leaders yet again as a bunch of bumbling nit-wits who are far richer than they are smart.
And BTW, my personal panties aren't in a bunch at all, because I love to see the Las Vegas Raiders lose any way possible, so I'm laughing at not only the bumbling refs screwing the pooch yet again but also at the bumbling Raiders eating their liver, yet again.
Should have been a TD but that fake spike was a poor play call. All they had to do was click it and kick a chip shot to force OT. You can fool bellechic on that BS. Bad call from the steeler OC
As much as they drive me crazy, in general I think NFL referees do a really good job at something that is incredibly difficult to do. My issues with them are more about the endless rules that they do not create but must enforce, which are created by billionaire suits who think they can control everything.
That guy involved with the Raiders game is probably fine overall, but pulling out that card was still a bonehead move.
He definitely hammed it up too, but in a way it highlighted how absurd and inaccurate the marking of the ball can be.
Is it for nostalgia sake, the chain gang still being around? I mean I watch some tennis matches and they can tell you pretty quickly if a 130 mph tennis ball missed the line by a millimeter, I’m sure some nerd with a football and a gps can tell us where to put the ball on the field.
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nfl...national flag league...
nfl...national flag league....
and the biggest joke yesterday wasnt even it Pittsburgh..(which was bad enough), but the "index card" first down measurement in Oakland Dallas game was beyond ridiculous.
NFL doing its best to ruin game
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Pittsburgh got mugged.
Pittsburgh got mugged.
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big ben blew it.
big ben blew it.
and i don't understand what the index card did
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Guy catches ball with both
Guy catches ball with both feet on the ground, turns around (football "move"?), breaks plane, should be a touchdown and dead ball at that point.
What's next, a guy gets in to endzone, spikes ball, and the refs call it a fumble? I don't get it. The NFL needs to dial in the catch rule(s) STAT.
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https://www.barstoolsports
https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/i-could-bathe-in-steelers-fans-tea...
A video worth watching if you have 45 seconds and want a tiny chuckle.
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The outcome was predetermined
The outcome was predetermined. Like all pro sports, it's not real it's "entertainment"
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I have never seen that index
I have never seen that index card trick before and hope I don't again. Where the fuck did that come from? Which official keeps an index card in his pocket for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity?
steelers and raiders both made the same mistake, and would have had a better chance of winning if they'd kicked the field goal and gone to OT. instead both wanted one more try for the TD and blew it.
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The index card made the ref
The index card made the ref look like a complete idiot and will likely lead to his getting the boot.
His lame excuse after the game was that he had already decided visually that the ball was touching the stick (which it wasn't) and that he used the FOLDED card to "confirm" his decision. But clearly even the doubled card slid between the ball and the stick, so what that doofus was thinking is beyond imagination.
There are so many bizarre and ticky-tack calls in the NFL these days that the refs/the league can justify by the endless technicalities of the rules, but that card deal was just inexplicable, and the pool reporter who gets to interview the refs after games said he had to wait to speak with the guy because he was on the phone and it looked like he was getting chewed out by someone.
Ultimately though it looked to me that the Cowboys got a bad spot on the previous play and they would certainly have challenged, and they may well have gotten the first down anyway, but that was one ugly moment for the refs, and yet another punch in the gut for the Las Vegas Raiders.
In the BA today the Raiders fan old standby cries of "CONSPIRACY!" have been dusted off, and this adds another epic bad moment to the Raiders losing lore. They can now add "The Card" to "The Tuck" in their bag of endless whine.
As to the OP, it's hard to bet against Brady & the Pats (14 division titles in 15 years is just crazy) but the Jaguars may just blow everyone's minds in the post-season. They play NASTY defense, and defense wins championships.
For me & my 49ers, I'm beginning to think Jimmy Garoppolo can solve all the worlds problems & cure sick children with a simple touch of his hand.
I doubt he's as good as he's played so far, but damn, so far he's been FUCKING GREAT!
Far out.
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It wasn't a catch and
It wasn't a catch and "football move" is no longer part of the rules. The ground can cause an incompletion. Actually that is kind of the definition of an incomplete pass.
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lol^
lol^
what jesse james (pitt tight end) shouldve done ....
instead of diving over plain w ball down, he should have raised it up as if "presenting" it to incoming Patriot to his left...patriot defender would have knocked it loose.....and if he had???
i guarantee that they would called it a td, sayin he broke the plain...(but, of course, how could he when he didnt have possession??? ...bullshit, i say!!..)
hey, maybe the bills or dolphins will beat the Pats in next two weeks...or....ahhhh, fuck it...steelers (and all) gotta go thru foxboro...again
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what makes it even more
what makes it even more confusing in yesterday's particular case is that 1) his knee touches ground but nobody touches him, and 2) the ball moves across the goal line prior to the end of the play. But in this case, the ball moving across the goal line isn't a touchdown, because at that moment the play isn't over yet!
Mike Pereira said it simply enough- the ground is ABOVE all when deciding.
People say a receiver had two feet, had possession, his knee hit, his butt hit, made a move, etc, etc
NONE of that matters if the ball comes out when the ball comes out from hitting the ground during a catch.
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Regardless of the TD call
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ya, jonas, you missed two
ya, jonas, you missed two plays...lol...or at least one..short pass to heyward bey, that nobodies talkin about...as a Steeler fan, it was a stupid ass call, as he had no chance of getting out of bounds, setting up this mad scramble play...etc...had they thrown to sideline, or incomplete on that play...they woulda had a full clock to make decision
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>>>>The index card made the
>>>>The index card made the ref look like a complete idiot and will likely lead to his getting the boot.
haha no such thing will happen. did you make that up yourself?
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Lance may be wrong about
Lance may be wrong about getting the ref fired, but "made the ref look like a complete idiot" is simple fact.
I enjoyed this http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Bizarre-index-card-call-against-Ra...
(trending on Twitter as @SNFPieceOfPaper)
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Guy catches ball with both
Guy catches ball with both feet on the ground, turns around (football "move"?), breaks plane, should be a touchdown and dead ball at that point.
What's next, a guy gets in to endzone, spikes ball, and the refs call it a fumble? I don't get it. The NFL needs to dial in the catch rule(s) STAT. <<<
Totally agree.
If it was a running play and the running back did the same thing it would have been a touchdown.
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Sure the chains give you an
Sure the chains give you an accurate 10 yard measurement, but the guy placing the rear marker is just doing line-of-sight with the sidelines...
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The tuck fumble was a fumble
The tuck fumble was a fumble but it was the correct call by NFL rules.
Yesterday's play was definitely a catch but it was the correct call by NFL rules.
The NFL is often overcome with paralysis by analysis.
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If the ground can't cause a
If the ground can't cause a fumble, then it shouldn't be able to cause an incompletion.
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Regarding marking the
Regarding marking the football in NFL games, it is pretty ridiculous how inaccurate it can be given that they also go over receptions like it’s the Zapruder film.
That being said, I stand by the fact that the head referee last night, Gene Steratore, a fine individual and experienced NFL referee as well as an NCAA basketball referee, will not be “getting the boot”, even if all of your Bay Area panties are in a twist. That’s not the way things work back in reality.
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Calvin Johnson Rule
Calvin Johnson Rule
Same play/rule kept Romo & Dez Bryant out of the Superbowl a few years ago and sent Green Bay instead.
Brady 8-1 against Pitt when Pitt had the better team most of the time. Pitts Tomlin is a absolute joke of coach.
NFL has no definition of what a football move is
Jimmy G is balling for 49ers
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Let's go Buffalo
Let's go Buffalo
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>>>That’s not the way things
>>>That’s not the way things work back in reality<<<
That ref may well not get the boot, since unfortunately actual quality doesn't really matter in the "reality" of the NFL. But, while so many of the strange and maddening NFL rulings can be explained away by the endlessly arcane definitions of the rules, there is no rule or plausible explanation about using a folded card to determine a first down, so in that situation your Mr. Hero exposed not only himself as a fool & a liar but far more importantly he exposed the league to ridicule, which the Big Suits in charge certainly do not like.
I base my personal opinion that the doofus in question might get the boot on how amateurish that move was, plus on what the pool reporter said was what clearly looked like that ref getting ripped on a phone call before his required interview. Who would he be talking to at that point except his masters?
But of course you're probably right Wisconsin; hoping for a standard of quality is too much to hope for (look at who is the President of the United States, after all) so that doofus probably won't get the boot, but he most definitely exposed himself as a fool & a liar and by association he also exposed the league leaders yet again as a bunch of bumbling nit-wits who are far richer than they are smart.
And BTW, my personal panties aren't in a bunch at all, because I love to see the Las Vegas Raiders lose any way possible, so I'm laughing at not only the bumbling refs screwing the pooch yet again but also at the bumbling Raiders eating their liver, yet again.
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<<<A video worth watching if
<<<A video worth watching if you have 45 seconds and want a tiny chuckle
I bet that guy has a tiny chuckle.
It doesn't seem like football is winning hearts and minds these days.
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The asolute Best Patriots
The asolute Best Patriots game is where Peter Griffin performs a well-choreographed version of "Shipoopi".
http://player.mashpedia.com/player.php?q=dlYeN_91HA8
No showboating, indeed
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No need to blame the Patriots
No need to blame the Patriots for bad officiating.
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Should have been a TD but
Should have been a TD but that fake spike was a poor play call. All they had to do was click it and kick a chip shot to force OT. You can fool bellechic on that BS. Bad call from the steeler OC
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They will still be cheaters
They will still be cheaters
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An amendment to my lengthy
An amendment to my lengthy (ZUI) rant up there:
As much as they drive me crazy, in general I think NFL referees do a really good job at something that is incredibly difficult to do. My issues with them are more about the endless rules that they do not create but must enforce, which are created by billionaire suits who think they can control everything.
That guy involved with the Raiders game is probably fine overall, but pulling out that card was still a bonehead move.
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He definitely hammed it up
He definitely hammed it up too, but in a way it highlighted how absurd and inaccurate the marking of the ball can be.
Is it for nostalgia sake, the chain gang still being around? I mean I watch some tennis matches and they can tell you pretty quickly if a 130 mph tennis ball missed the line by a millimeter, I’m sure some nerd with a football and a gps can tell us where to put the ball on the field.
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^^^^^This.
^^^^^This.
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^^zactly, bucky...been sayin
^^zactly, bucky...been sayin that for years...the chain gang gotta go