Deep State Sympathizers

Explain locking up people for being here illegally.

There's a lot of Yemeni children that don't agree with your cultish assessment  (let alone the Kurds)

What you are supporting is Soviet, Turkish, N. Korea, and Saudi Arabian aggression / murder throughout the world.  

Your concept of peace doesn't seem to include Trumps rude and ruthless comments to any and all dissenters, truly 3rd world dictator material...  

And talk about anti press, neither of you can even say chopping up a reporter who lives in the United States of America is wrong, how does that jive w/ your concept of peace? 

Why are you incapable of denouncing even the most obvious rude behaviors of your political savior? 

I've been voting libertarian to avoid the war machine for 40 years oh cultish one

I voted for Gary Johnson, thank you  (my mom voted for Hillary, but she worked w/ her for 8 years, loved her, but that's two real people working together, not that propaganda cult machine who's tit of misinformation you suck on sir)

20 years at the White House, started under HW Bush, equal time w/ both parties in office.  

Speaking of treason, (and since you won't answer my questions above), have you started to read thru the nearly 700 new pages released on Saturday?  Some pretty fascinating tidbits in there...   stuff that wasn't in the Mueller report.  

(And i'm just fine w/ any crimes under any administration being prosecuted, but right now I believe we're focussing on those actually in office in the real world cult boy)

FUCK YOU FOOL

Bryen I never participate in any of your threads for obvious reasons, besides it being a waste of time and finger exercise. And as such I certainly won't respond to whatever you comment on my post. However, for your next thread, we would all appreciate it if you would write an essay about what it's like living a delusional existence and how long you've been off your meds. And see if you can do it without once using namaste. You obviously have no clue or understanding of what it truly means. Fucking moron. You are the poster boy for what ails this country.  That is all. 

I believe non interventionism is a libertarian mainstay (obvious exceptions for humanitarian reasons) 

Jimmy Carter was a great example of being a non interventionalist 

Both Bushes should never have gotten us involved in those horrible wars.  Clintons big war in Kosovo turned out to be a success by most accounts, not saying ugly things didn't happen, but we saved the muslims from slaughter.  (Unlike Yemeni children or the Kurds)

Since you won't answer my questions above, what's your stance on your cult leader screwing over Hurricane devastated places like the Bahamas, Puerto Rico, and now refusing to give money to fire ravaged California?  Where does that rate on your humanitarian peace o meter cultish one?

It's nice knowing how things work, what's your excuse for being so horrifically misinformed cult boy?

 (and feel free to answer any of our questions on any of your threads even once, lol, or better yet, save your energy so you can inflate your date tonight cult boy)

that's because they don't exist cult boy...

 now republican traitors, there's a heaping pile of them out there comrade cult boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUDr_c2PalI

True, your savior is a well known rapist, and pussy grabber  

^is that your argument?

Of course not, we've already gone down that road, for a long time, on multiple cult posts of yours...   it is quite fascinating that you've never been able tor respond to any of our questions over that same period of time

.. not much integrity in that ..  

but you're a sentient being who has the right to be as clinically misinformed and addicted to redundant conspiracy theories

(since you can't defend any of your messiahs repugnant actions)

as the next grifter or cult boy, cult boy  

Gotta hand it to ya Noodler, how you manage to keep your cool when confronted by the lists valedictorian imbacil is highly admirable. You'd make a great father, you're brilliant with children.  Hell of a job buddy, you're at the top of my most awesome zoners list.  

New Life Lesson = Strive to be more like Noodler

 turns my stomach<<<

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7646171/Jared-Kushner-greenlit-arrest-Jamal-Khashoggi-phone-call-Saudi-Prince.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOb-Ha7UaEw

bryen, if at all you were genuine in your wish to break the real deep state, you would back the only candidate that is truly not one of them. yes, this is bernie bryen.

but please keep up the shock jock schlock if it helps you sleep better.

'Thank God For The Deep State' - CIA Celebrates Coup Against Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfKi7SGtY2k

I guess as long as those orchestrating the coup are on your team, it's totally awesome.. yay
 

can we not sympathize with the deep state and hate dump too?

or must we choose

Is Bryen mentally ill or just a sad troll. Such a fine line. 

    He's a liddle' touched

Russian bot

A few fries short of a happy meal 

How's the russian bot's thread going

Gary Johnson I thought was good because he was for the weed and being I'm from nc we need a weed president.

and thaaaan? The Aleppo thing.

Deal breaker.

Let’s not forget these simple facts

bryen, are you ok with maintaining a military alliance with, and selling guns to, saudi arabia, the country of origin of the base ideology that drives the whole of radical islam? trump seems stoked on it, and for me, cutting military ties with the saudis would be one of the #1 signs our foreign policy is actually taking a positive turn as far as not meddling in the affairs of the middle east.

I'm pretty convinced that Bryen is a made up sock by a long time zoner. 

Bryen, You have an impressive vocabulary.  EOM

bryen - is foreign policy and ending Us involvement in the middle east/stopping regime change war your #1 issue? if not does it make top 3?

What is the deepest state? Louisiana? I mean isn't New Orleans below sea level? Florida? Inquiring minds want to know!

  Bryen,  are you a fan of Rush?

on another note: larry, I had an amazing Ruben sandie yesterday and thought of you ( fortunately the Refuge was closed as it was $9  cheaper, and likely better)

willows market - (Nancy a vegetarian could easily enjoy if she were an Omni)

and Blind Pig is really an amazing beer!!!

The so-called "Deep State" has been what has kept this country on track, prosperous and protected as from the whimsical and dangerous actions taken by people like Trump. He is destroying this country.

Tubin'

https://youtu.be/mQ_k_VG6Syc

Tubin'

https://youtu.be/mQ_k_VG6Syc

3x

oopppss

The so-called "Deep State" has been what has kept this country on track, prosperous and protected as from the whimsical and dangerous actions taken by people like Trump. He is destroying this country.

spoken like a true bloombergian

of course within the "deep state" there are good people who are in fact trying to keep this country on track("and some, i assume, are good people"), but the term deep state is also used to refer to the permanent intelligence infrastructure and men like this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cofer_Black#Post_9/11:_Global_War_on_Terror

dont forget to scroll down to the "private sector" section that will tell you he is the former vice chair of blackwater and is currently on the board at burisma group of hunter biden fame

Name names.

"Obama is certainly an instructive case. This is a president who campaigned on a platform of ending warrantless wiretapping in the United States, he said "that's not who we are, that's not what we do", and once he became the president, he expanded the program.  He said he was going to close Guantanamo but he kept it open, he said he was going to limit extrajudicial killings and drone strikes that has been so routine in the Bush years. But Obama went on to authorize vastly more drone strikes than Bush. It became an industry.

As for this idea that there is a Deep State, now the Deep State is not just the intelligence agencies, it is really a way of referring to the career bureaucracy of government. These are officials who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do, who watch presidents come and go, they influence policy, they influence presidents and say: this is what we have always done, this is what we must do, and if you don't do this, people will die. It is very easy to persuade a new president who comes in, who has never had these powers, but has always wanted this job and wants very, very badly to do that job well. A bureaucrat sitting there for the last twenty years says: I understand what you said, I respect your principles, but if you do what you promised, people will die. It is very easy for a president to go: well, for now, I am going to set this controversy to the side, I'm going to take your advice, let you guys decide how these things should be done, and then I will revisit it, when I have a little more experience, maybe in a few months, maybe in a few years, but then they never do.

This is what we saw quite clearly happen in the case of Barack Obama: when this story [of Snowden exposing the NSA's mass surveillance] came forward in 2013, when Obama had been president for five years, one of the defences for this from his aides and political allies was: oh, Obama was just about to fix this problem!  And sure enough, he eventually was forced from the wave of criticism to make some limited reforms, but he did not go far enough to end all of the programs that were in violation of the law or the constitution of the United States.

That too was an intentional choice: he could have certainly used the scandal to advocate for all of the changes that he had campaigned on, to deliver on all of his promises, but in those five years he had become president, he discovered something else, which is that there are benefits from having very powerful intelligence agencies, there are benefits from having these career bureaucrats on your side, using their spider web over government for your benefit.

Imagine you are Barack Obama, and you realise - yes, when you were campaigning you were saying: spying on people without a warrant is a problem, but then you realise: you can read Angela Merkel's text messages. Why bother calling her and asking her opinion, when you can just read her mind by breaking the law? It sounds like a joke, but it is a very seductive thing. Secrecy is perhaps the most corrupting of all government powers, because it takes public officials and divorces them from accountability to the public.

When we look at the case of Trump, who is perhaps the worst of politicians, we see the same dynamic occurring. This is a president who said the CIA is the enemy, it's like Nazi Germany, they're listening to his phone calls, and all of these other things, some claims which are true, some claims which are absolutely not.  A few months later, he is authorizing major powers for these same agencies that he has called his enemies.

And this gets to the central crux of your question, which is: can any president oppose this?  The answer is certainly. The president has to have some familiarity going in with the fact that this pitch is going to be made, that they are going to try to scare him or her into compliance. The president has to be willing to stand strongly on line and say: 'I was elected to represent the interests of the American people, and if you're not willing to respect the constitution and our rights, I will disband your agency, and create a new one'. I think they can definitely be forced into compliance, because these officials fear prison, just like every one of us."

-edward snowden

https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2018/03/19/news/snowden_how_the_deep_st...