Donald Trump Winning

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He doesn't have his wall (yet,), but this loutish man child of a president and his outlandishly dysfunctional reality TV administration are starting to rack up some big, if not historic, accomplishments and actually making good on many of his campaign promises - massive tax cuts for the wealthy, sweeping regulatory roll backs, and now a solid conservative majority on the Supreme Court for the next generation.   He has also somehow managed to not be impeached despite all the terrible things he has said and done.  Donald Trump is winning.  

That he is, and he’s going to win again in 2020.

 

 

i agree with both of you. and his base is fiercely loyal. not sure who the dems have to take the con man down. 

Since the Kavanaugh shit, there has been a 10% upswing in males saying that they are voting Republican. If they do, there goes that gender gap that was the Dems only hope in 2018.

I see your point Ken and very much respect your opinions, but "winning" is such a temporary term. 

Charlie Sheen was winning. He thought.

President Barack Obama, upon the passage of the Affordable Care Act, was winning. Later, the ACA was decimated by republicans. 

Orange Mussolini has had his victories, but the "game" is never "over".   AND,

if you consider seeing many of your cohorts pleading guilty and turning on you as winning...

or if you consider investigations into possible criminal fraud on your past tax returns winning...

or if you consider having your wife find out as a fact you were humping babes and paying them off to be quiet as winning...

or if you can't be sure of your future and that it may include incarceration for you and friends and family as winning...

you can have it.

Kavanaugh could be impeached (doubtful), and the tax cuts and giveaways to the rich can be rolled back in the next administration.

We will survive.

As a lawyer neighbor said when I lamented the court situation, he said laws passed by a congress don't come before a court unless they're questioned constitutionally. 

He was suggesting progressive change can still take place. But yeah, this court thing is a real kick in the balls. I hope it rallies the troops for November. 

WWE is America.

I am disgusted.

if not getting impeached counts as a win, Herbert Hoover was a winner. But I don't think history sees it that way.

A conservative Supreme Court, for the next 30 years, is going to chip away at a lot of progressive laws. Roe v Wade won’t be overturned,  but States will be able to pass laws limiting abortion to the first 3 days, saying that clinics have to be within 12 feet of a hospital, etc.

>>> but States will be able to pass laws limiting abortion to the first 3 days, saying that clinics have to be within 12 feet of a hospital, etc. <<<

... only with parental permission for women under a certain age... and who knows what other restrictive parameters will be constructed.

All women need access to safe abortions and all types of woman's healthcare.

If our stupid and apathetic populace got out to vote, it wouldn’t be an issue. Most Americans aren’t conservative, nor do they agree with the President and Congress. Yet, they don’t vote. The loyal Right does, so they get to make the rules for the rest of us.

4 of the 9 current justices appointed by republican presidents that lost the popular vote

Koch brothers are winning

“He was making out like Charlie Sheen, he was a genius”

 

Women voting republican fist in face_0.jpg

 

She should be punching her vag with her other hand

C'mon, John Kelly.  Just snap his neck.  You know you want to.

 

In many ways, the US constitution has been a millstone around this countries neck. While its composition was fairly radical for its day, it has remained unfortunately static and unyielding to the demands of changing times. I would argue it has stifled reasonable political evolution. This is especially true when relating to the process of amending it. We should not have to live this way. We should not have to accept that money equals speech, the unfettered legal corruption of our lawmakers, tyranny of the minority in relation to our elections, establishment of second class citizens, defacto state sponsored religious terrorism, etc. The constitution is why we are in the place we find today, where a demonstrable moron can occupy the highest office and nominate political ideologues that wallow in demagoguery to the supreme court in order to circumvent the legislative process. I am almost to the point of calling for the dissolution of the government and rewriting our constitution to more appropriately meet the demands of a modern government and its people. What a god damn mess.

This country is fucked.

the country will be a lot better off once the MAGAs start removing us undesirables.

 

Like people on Food stamps. Or Medicaid.

They used to call them "leeches".

 

Now we are all leeches.

You think you have Medicare & Social Security?

That's only for people over 65.

The people who vote.

 

They will take it away from the young.

Because the young don't vote.

 

Or they vote green.

 

 

 

 

when the wall goes up, which side will you be on?

 

>>>>>the dissolution of the government and rewriting our constitution to more appropriately meet the demands of a modern government and its people.

 

The overwhelming likelihood is that it would be rewritten to meet the demands of the corporate elite.

lol.I'm so scared

People over 65 need people.

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>>>>>the dissolution of the government and rewriting our constitution to more appropriately meet the demands of a modern government and its people.

 

The overwhelming likelihood is that it would be rewritten to meet the demands of the corporate elite.

 

You're absolutely right on that point..

Soooooo, is the democratic party going to do anything to up their game... or will they just take another dive in 2020? As far as I can tell they still don't offer anything/anyone to vote for, just against the rep agenda and whoever the GOP throws out there.

 

 

Dise nails it.

Here's an idea for the Dems- articulate a platform. Also, might want to consider moving away from "Identity politics", or whatever the kids are calling the racist/sexist bullshit they're learning in college these days. 

> they still don't offer anything/anyone to vote for, <

 

Yeah, just the usual.......equal rights, environmental protections, health care, the social safety net.....yeah, nothing........ <eyeroll>

Well, Booker voted against lowering the price of medicine since the 2016 election, with 12 other dems if memory serves, so take health care off your list...<eye roll>

 

Saying they're helping is different than actually doing something to help (unless you think big pharma needs booker to help them by accepting their money).

"As MapLight data shows, Booker has received more pharmaceutical manufacturing cash over the past six years than any other Democratic senator: $267,338. In addition, significant numbers of pharmaceutical and biotech firms reside in Booker’s home state of New Jersey. Other Democrats receiving six-figure donations from the industry, like Casey, Patty Murray, and Michael Bennet, opposed the amendment."

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/12/cory-booker-joins-senate-republicans...

Dise, NJ is the big pharma capital of the US

Gee I'm fucking shocked a NJ Senator took money from companies in his district. By comparison what have republican senators taken???

Didn't Bernie introduce a bill to control big pharma and GOP pissed on it.

the dems have to become ruthless like the gop. only way to play any longer, no compromising, no trying to keep the integrity of institutions. fucking slit their throats and smash their skulls-cause that’s what the gop does to the dems and the country. 

Republicans crying about mobs a protesters giving them hell

Welcome to democrats world. Pro life terrorists do this all the time for last 30 years.

KEN - FUCK THAT SLIMEBALL SHIT For Brains IDIOT Trump ! no

An enigmatic Democrat like Gavin Newsome can’t run because he has a sex scandal in his past.

Trump won in spite of 18 sex scandals and grabbing women by the pussy.

Yeah, I’d say that the Dems need to get their shit together if they have a hole in both 18 and 20.

Oh, yeah, no difference at all between the parties.

Totally true, unless you care about:

- the environment / global warming /  wilderness / national monuments

 -- healthcare / pre-existing conditions / coverage

- social security/  medicare

- medicaid / food stamps

- minimum wages

- taxes 

-  female reproductive rights

- voting rights

- immigration

etc.

Didn't Bernie introduce a bill to control big pharma and GOP pissed on it.

 

Gee Nostrand, you actually read the link I posted? That's a zone first. Guess who else pissed on it with the GOP? Thirteen democrats, most of whom took large contributions from big pharma, but yeah...including NJ dem Booker, effectively killing the bill.

 

BK and I are in agreement, weak sauce is what got the dems in this mess. They need to actually put some action behind their Re$i$t slogan or no one will come out to vote, again, but the registered Independents and Greens.

The Dems could stand to figure out their brand identity. The Republicans have chosen their brand to be douchebags with views abhorrent to the majority of the population, but they keep winning with it. Just fucking pick an identity and stand behind it. Well, as long as it isn’t being boring, whiney bitches anymore. That’s a stupid brand identity that no one can stand behind and isn’t working.

What part of the Democratic party platform sucked?

p.s. Bernie helped write the platform.

 

No one's talking to you, weird steve. Stop interrupting the people having a conversation with your "look at me!" antics.

Just fucking pick an identity and stand behind it. Well, as long as it isn’t being boring, whiney bitches anymore. That’s a stupid brand identity that no one can stand behind and isn’t working.

Pretty much covers it. I agree, BK.

The Dems need a face, a badass mofo who isn’t afraid to tell it like it is, get all personal and get up in people’s grills. That’s what people want to see and will get behind.

Steve, the platform isn’t the issue.

 I care about minimum wages. 

^You're in luck. The Republicans will guarantee your right to work for minimal pay.

But what will the other party do? 

 

Democrats, especially on the state and local levels, have been working to raise minimum wage. They have even seen some success.

 

 

 

 

The wage is going up. That law was passed years ago. 

It won't keep up with housing costs. 

Dems need a new proposal to address the issue again.

Sorry to interfere with your thread, Dise.

 

ps. Fed minimum wage is $7.25, Clinton called for $12.

one party uses some lube, the other does not.

>Clinton called for $12.<

 

But Bernie Sanders wanted $15.

 

The perfect is the enemy of the good. 

Sarah Sanders gets it. 

 

"Instead of a 6-3 liberal Supreme Court under Hillary Clinton, we now have a 5-4 conservative Supreme Court..."

And could be 6-3 if Bader-Ginsberg has health issues and must be replaced due to retirement or death.

 

Sarah Sanders does get it. 

A bunch of "progressives" in 3 or 4 states didn't, apparently.

A bunch of "progressives" in 3 or 4 states didn't, apparently

 

...because of the Russians

What are the issues in those 3 or 4 states that make voters support MAGA?

YouTube videos & Facebook posts

keeping mexicans out?

I was talking about the left-of-center voters in those states who refused to vote for the Dem. candidate but instead voted for Sanders or Stein.

The voters were meddled with

The Kavanaugh confirmation is a massive failure for the Dems, and not just for the obvious loss of the Court.

From my perspective, the entire situation with Dr. Ford was profoundly mishandled. Drawing a line in the sand (intentionally or not) and asking Americans to choose between fundamental principles of justice and an emergent social movement was a grave mistake.

Now, the memes of hysterical protesters literally clawing at the doors of the Supreme Court have gone viral, and Republicans are riding the narrative that Liberals are unhinged lunatics. Regardless of the validity of those claims, the "optics" are absolutely horrific. Middle America doesn't play that shit. 

sigh.

What's Michael Avenatti been up to the last couple of days?

I wonder the kind of farcical bullshit he's dreaming up this time.

Funny, some people on this board praise him as their next saviour.

I'm sure that will work out.

>>>>>>Funny, some people on this board praise him as their next saviour

 

Who?  I haven’t seen anything remotely close.

>>>What's Michael Avenatti been up to the last couple of days?

 

Just checked his Twitter feed; he's trying to raise money for a PAC while screaming something about fighting Trump (not certain if he means it literally or figuratively).

And yeah, I've never seen a  zoner put any eggs in the Avenatti basket; dude is a clown and I'm pretty sure everybody knows it. 

>>Sorry to interfere with your thread, Dise.

snap!

 

 

"Instead of a 6-3 liberal Supreme Court under Hillary Clinton, we now have a 5-4 conservative Supreme Court..."

 

Based on what GOP senators were saying in Fall 2016, I thought that it would remain 4-4 if HRC were to be elected.  (then 4-3 if Kennedy had decided to retire???).

 

I salute the Democratic Senators in the Judiciary Committee for showing some backbone.  Much more information was revealed than if they had decided to roll-over and allow the GOP powers-that-be to follow their initial plan.  We are much closer to the truth than we would've been.  This forced leaders (esp GOP leaders) to take a more intentional stand on the issue, given the amount of evidence piling up (and potential evidence which was purposely avoided).  There will be more revealed as the months/years proceed.  And, IMO, the truth is something that people who have nothing to hide should embrace.

     David Gergen on full-tilt right now, if that's any metric...partisanship to the side, I'd like to respectfully throw a few observations on the table for the good of the discussion, I'd like to achieve civility, there won't be any lack of it on my end.  I feel like one of the things I bring to the table is an excellent gauge on the landscape as political junkie and having worked on a couple campaigns in the context of voter registration/voter mobilization, I could be wrong, but I'm often correct.

     I'm calling the GOP retaining the house and the senate in November, if I'm wrong I'll be the first to concede, but I think I'm correct.

     I think there's been a genuine shift in the last few weeks, it is what it is, but there's a true sense of injustice the likes of which I've never observed in the political ether, it began with the Russia investigation, but some of the tactics employed during the Kavanaugh confirmation were unprecedentedly ugly...really, really bad, we all know it, it's the elephant in the room.

     You won't likely read that prediction anywhere else, and that's not meant to engage in some uncivil back and forth, I'm just telling you guys, I have an excellent feel for these things, and everything I sense is we are experiencing a watershed moment in American politics.

Thank you, swami

 Bryan, seeing as how no one here has been calling a Blue Wave, you’re kind of overstating the obvious. There’s nothing revolutionary about the majority maintaining control in the midterms.

 

Maybe it's more obvious than I thought, it would be a rare occurrence, I'm sure others are seeing it too...there's a shift that just happened.

No shift just happened. Republicans win because they get out and vote. If the lame-ass Dems could tap into that 60% that doesn’t vote in midterms, they’d kick ass. The vast majority of the population doesn’t like Republican ideals, They are just too apathetic or uneducated to vote. 

What does that 60% want for their vote? 

Some tasty waves and a cool buzz.

I guess we're done here. 

 

tasty waves and a cool buzz...priceless 

What does that 60% want for their vote? 

 

• security 

• financial stability 

• health care

• level playing field for commerce

• limited government 

• welfare of the less fortunate 

• an end to the drug war

• freedom 

• liberty 

• abundance 

What does that 60% want for their vote? 

 

• peace

• security 

• financial stability 

• health care

• level playing field for commerce

• limited government 

• welfare of the less fortunate 

• an end to the drug war

• freedom 

• liberty 

• abundance 

...and happiness 

^I don't see much progress made by the GOP government in many of those areas so far. 

 

Care to elaborate?

>>>>>>>>>The Dems need a face, a badass mofo who isn’t afraid to tell it like it is, get all personal and get up in people’s grills. That’s what people want to see and will get behind.

We need our own Trump, maybe one that's better looking

For the last few years now Taylor Swift has been begging me to father a child with her.
I may now oblige 

 

Breaking News: Trump says 'no one more competent in the world' than daughter Ivanka to replace Nikki Haley as UN ambassador

 

 

Not the Onion. 

What me worry? 

 

Yes.

>>>If the lame-ass Dems could tap into that 60% that doesn’t vote in midterms, they’d kick ass

 

I'm not so sure about that. I've seen the data that shows higher registered voter turnout tends to favor Democrats; but that huge block of unregistered, potential voters you're referencing is a pretty big unknown.

I'd actually bet a sizable percentage of them are anti-gubment, pro-gun, anti-abortion, religious, and still using flip phones. Not sure we necessarily want to invite them to the party. 

Emoluments Clause lawsuit tossed out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/appeals-court-dismisse...

But there are some additional Emoluments Clause lawsuits supposedly in the works by rival hotel operators, which could help get around the standing issue.  Perhaps they can use this decision as a road map on how to do it right the next time around.

A federal investigation into whether Trump Organization executives violated campaign-finance laws appears to be wrapping up without charges being filed, according to people familiar with the matter.

For months, federal prosecutors in New York have examined whether company officials broke the law, including in their effort to reimburse Michael Cohen for hush-money payments he made to women alleging affairs with his former boss, President Donald Trump.

In recent weeks, however, their investigation has quieted, the people familiar with the inquiry said, and prosecutors now don't appear poised to charge any Trump Organization executives in the probe that stemmed from the case against Cohen.

 

 

That comes off as frustrated, care to elaborate?

The thread was on the front page asking for an update.